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Reporting Restrictions In Grooming Gang Trials Are Vital In The Pursuit Of Justice.
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Comment on Reporting Restrictions In Grooming Gang Trials Are Vital In The Pursuit Of Justice.. Post away!
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Tommy (Stephen Lennon) is sponsored by Israel, he’s only here to stir up shit!cant stand the cunt!
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UK is behaving like Saudi Arabia says Geert Wilder

https://www.rt.com/uk/428059-wilders-tom...son-video/
#4
I probably agree with Richie 95% of the time but on this not so much. I know he can't stand Tommy Robinson and I can't say that I'm a fan either but on this issue I'm with him 100%. Do I think he handled the situation properly? No. Do I think he was stupid? Yes. But no way does what he did deserve a prison sentence. People have received far less for crimes of violence. I've watched some of the coverage about this from a spectrum of people and he was taken straight to court, not allowed his own solicitor, given a 13 month prison sentence and then the judge put reporting restrictions on the case. In my opinion all of that was persecution which is why I signed the petition on his behalf.

The police have ignored and indeed covered up this issue for decades. Have any senior police officers been sent to prison or lost their jobs over this? No. So why should someone be sent to prison for exposing it because that is what it boils down to. Where has been the outcry about this from most of the mainstream media? Nowhere. What have we heard from the MeToo movement? Nothing. Have we heard protests from the sanctimonious "I'm so caring" middle-class uber feminists? No. If the victims had been middle class and the perpetrators anything but Muslim they would have been screaming from the rooftops.

We cannot have a justice system based on identity politics. The statue of justice on top of the law courts is blindfolded for a reason. All should be treated equally before the law. How perpetrators or victims are treated should not depend on their class, religion ethnicity or anything else but the nature of the crime. Would you want someone to get away with awful crimes because they shared the same religion or nationality as you? No of course you wouldn't and neither would the vast majority of decent progressive Muslims. They aren't the ones doing the covering up, it's the cowardly politicians and members of the establishment and they need to be called out on it.
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(05-29-2018, 04:24 PM)ContemplationInTranquility Wrote: I probably agree with Richie 95% of the time but on this not so much. I know he can't stand Tommy Robinson and I can't say that I'm a fan either but on this issue I'm with him 100%. Do I think he handled the situation properly? No. Do I think he was stupid? Yes. But no way does what he did deserve a prison sentence. People have received far less for crimes of violence. I've watched some of the coverage about this from a spectrum of people and he was taken straight to court, not allowed his own solicitor, given a 13 month prison sentence and then the judge put reporting restrictions on the case. In my opinion all of that was persecution which is why I signed the petition on his behalf.

The police have ignored and indeed covered up this issue for decades. Have any senior police officers been sent to prison or lost their jobs over this? No. So why should someone be sent to prison for exposing it because that is what it boils down to. Where has been the outcry about this from most of the mainstream media? Nowhere. What have we heard from the MeToo movement? Nothing. Have we heard protests from the sanctimonious "I'm so caring" middle-class uber feminists? No. If the victims had been middle class and the perpetrators anything but Muslim they would have been screaming from the rooftops.

We  cannot have a justice system based on identity politics. The statue of justice on top of the law courts is blindfolded for a reason. All should be treated equally before the law. How perpetrators or victims are treated should not depend on their class, religion ethnicity or anything else but the nature of the crime. Would you want someone to get away with awful crimes because they shared the same religion or nationality as you? No of course you wouldn't and neither would the vast majority of decent progressive Muslims. They aren't the ones doing the covering up, it's the cowardly politicians and members of the establishment and they need to be called out on it.

Totally Agree. This isn't about what anybody thinks of Tommy Robinson, it is about freedom of speech. The recent cases of Count Dunkula, Alison Chabloz and now Tommy Robinson are clear examples of the way the justice system is going in this country.
The Government want to clamp down on anybody speaking out against them and these people are being made examples of to scare others off also.
When you see the pathetically small sentences that some child abusers are receiving it makes a mockery of what they have just done to Tommy Robinson. The fact that they put a media ban on it is even more sinister as they clearly do not want it common knowledge
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The whole contempt of court business is entirely trumped up. Not only have the mainstream media openly harassed defendants during sex abuse trials, most notably that of Rolf Harris, but Tommy Robinson did not reveal any information or images of people not already in the public domain. His actions could only have incited a few bystanders who were probably friends and relatives in the extended local Pakistani community, who tend to stick together and be much better organised than the local indigenous English, Irish, Welsh or Scottish communities. The real risk of mistrial comes from elite attempts to sweep the scale of grooming gangs under the carpet to further their aims to undermine cohesive communities and traditional support structures everywhere and thus empower the forces of surveillance and social control. 

Like you I'm not a huge fan of Tommy Robinson's attention-seeking antics, not least his unconditional support for the State of Israel and for British military adventurism. I've never heard him once discuss US/UK/Israeli destabilisation of the Middle East and covert support for the very Islamic extremists he claims to oppose.
However, I fully support his right to speak truth to power and the same goes for Alison Chabloz. I need not agree with everything she has ever said to support her freedom of expression. Make no mistake, the state is biased in this case, but they have unwittingly made a hero out of Zionist Tommy.
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(05-29-2018, 04:24 PM)ContemplationInTranquility Wrote: I probably agree with Richie 95% of the time but on this not so much. I know he can't stand Tommy Robinson and I can't say that I'm a fan either but on this issue I'm with him 100%. Do I think he handled the situation properly? No. Do I think he was stupid? Yes. But no way does what he did deserve a prison sentence. People have received far less for crimes of violence. I've watched some of the coverage about this from a spectrum of people and he was taken straight to court, not allowed his own solicitor, given a 13 month prison sentence and then the judge put reporting restrictions on the case. In my opinion all of that was persecution which is why I signed the petition on his behalf.

The police have ignored and indeed covered up this issue for decades. Have any senior police officers been sent to prison or lost their jobs over this? No. So why should someone be sent to prison for exposing it because that is what it boils down to. Where has been the outcry about this from most of the mainstream media? Nowhere. What have we heard from the MeToo movement? Nothing. Have we heard protests from the sanctimonious "I'm so caring" middle-class uber feminists? No. If the victims had been middle class and the perpetrators anything but Muslim they would have been screaming from the rooftops.

We  cannot have a justice system based on identity politics. The statue of justice on top of the law courts is blindfolded for a reason. All should be treated equally before the law. How perpetrators or victims are treated should not depend on their class, religion ethnicity or anything else but the nature of the crime. Would you want someone to get away with awful crimes because they shared the same religion or nationality as you? No of course you wouldn't and neither would the vast majority of decent progressive Muslims. They aren't the ones doing the covering up, it's the cowardly politicians and members of the establishment and they need to be called out on it.

Tommy Robinson pleaded guilty to Contempt of Court and was represented in court by Matthew Harding, who has stated that Robinson felt "deep regret" after realising the potential consequences of his actions.

I am no fan of his either but I admire Tommy Robinson's tenacity, spirit and passion and of course would defend his or anyone else's right to freedom of speech. However, I have no dog in this race. He is not above UK law and he should have been smarter. He was fully aware of the consequences of his actions in filming and live streaming outside of the court during a trial that had reporting restrictions upon it. He is not a political prisoner, nor is he a victim. He played himself straight into the hands of the law on this occasion. I hope this schoolboy error of judgement does not make him a martyr in prison because that will no doubt spark a civil / race war and then we're all fucked.

I've seen a plethora of outraged YouTube videos from people in the UK and abroad made by people who have no clue about the British Judicial system and who have jumped to all kinds of incorrect conclusions about the arrest. Granted the full facts weren't known at the time but Tommy Robinson is no victim in all of this. He's a grown ass man who knows fine well what contempt of court means. Richie's article is the first sensible & non hysterical thing that's been written about this whole sorry mess.

From the BBC website: Why contempt of court matters?

"Contempt of court is the crime of ignoring the court and its constitutional role in making sure that justice is done.
Robinson was convicted of contempt for interfering with a trial in Canterbury.
His attempts to film defendants on that occasion could, the judge said, have "prejudiced" the jury, leading to an unfair verdict - and he was warned he'd go to jail if he did anything remotely similar again.
Why couldn't we initially report Robinson's arrest and jailing? Reporting restrictions are a long-standing part of the British legal system. In this case, the judge ordered a temporary media black-out because he feared reporting Robinson's conviction could influence the jury in the very case Robinson was targeting.
This is not some new form of censorship directed at Robinson. These are rules that apply to us all, equally. If he is unsure about that, he's now got time on his hands to read a copy of Essential Law for Journalists.

Robinson was already subject to a suspended sentence for a contempt charge related to a separate case in Canterbury.
The judge had warned him then he should expect to go to prison if he committed further offences.
Robinson was given 10 months in jail for contempt of court, and a further three months for breaching the previous suspended sentence.
Judge Geoffrey Marson QC initially imposed restrictions for fear that reporting his arrest would prejudice an ongoing trial".

And from The Sun: What is contempt of court and Why can you be jailed for it?CONTEMPT Tommy Robinson was today jailed for contempt of court after publishing material that could prejudice an ongoing trial.


In the UK, a person can be found in contempt of court if they wilfully defy a court order.


According to the Crown Prosecution Service, the main types of the offence can be physically interfering in a trial, threatening witnesses or obstructing justice.
Showing disrespect to a judge can also be contempt of the court.co
If someone is in contempt of the Magistrates' Court, a person can be imprisoned for one month or face a fine of up to £2,500.


But for those in contempt of a crown court, they can be jailed for up to two years or face a fine.


In the UK, media can only report the facts of a case.

In the US, contempt of court is generally not considered to be a criminal offence.
Due to the First Amendment, the media outlet cannot be found in contempt of court.urt and why can you be jailed for it?
#8
For the last 4 years, I have listened to a variety of podcasts. Many I don't waste time with anymore. I still try to catch a new RA by the next morning. Guests like Jim Fetzer, returning, for some reason, make me question my loyalty, But your episode today, and in particular the monologue, remind me in full why. Inspired as I was to eaven break into my neglected laptop to scribble this. Carry on with Gusto Sir!
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Richie

Read your article and listened to your summary of this case. While you may have a point on the protection of sensitive cases such rape (though I think in this/these grooming/rape cases there is more it this than meets the eye.) you have not mentioned the fact the same Judge (presiding over the grooming case) issued the gag order of Tommy's arrest and imprisonment and admitted that he hadn't seen all the alleged footage. The ban was a farce (and a gift) as the streaming of the event outside of the court had already gone around the globe via Facebook. Also the judge did not take the previous offence into consideration in his judgement, apparently said that he would have given him the sentence regardless of the previous conviction. It is this particular ban/gag order that alarmed me and others as this has Gulag undertones. I believe that this whole thing of banning coverage is more about covering up exposure of the paedophile/sex abuse rings in higher circles and coming down on anyone who dares talk about or raises it to the wider public. There's a woman (Melanie Shaw - whistle blower on Nottingham sex abuse case ) in Peterborough Prison, sedated in solitary confinement.

Based on what I have seen through interviews of Tommy on mainstream and independent media (+ loosing his businesses and money) I need some serious convincing that he is just out to make a name for himself and a stooge. I think your blind dislike for him prevents you from getting the views of one of the people working with him (who believed what mainstream media said about Tommy) who was in the court room as well as, on the wider issue, the Sikh charity dealing with abductions and rape of their children by these sort of gangs but I doubt if you would do that.

Are you willing to get him on your show to talk about/debate theses issues you raise so that both of you can reach an understanding on the bigger picture? Can't fight the elite if we are all bitching about each other and calling each other names.
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I've never been a Tommy Robinson supporter either but I am concerned about this situation. What concerns me is that throughout the live stream, Robinson kept checking with the police outside the court that what he was doing was ok and not contempt. The police kept telling him he was fine because he wasn't on court property. I think that should have been taken into consideration and I think the sentence was far too long. Its the sort of reaction that turns people into martyrs which only gives them more power.
  


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