Its not happening. Its never going to happen.
What frustrates me as a voter for Scottish Independence is the claim by the SNP to claim "independence" from Westminster only to run into the arms of Brussels. Its madness. Maybe Ritchie could interview Jim Fairlie should he ever need a slant on this madness. Well worth a follow on Twitter.
Here is a question. One for the Irish among you.
I follow Luke "Ming" Flanagan online and also Richard Boyd Barrett. Both very good Irish politicians who are anti EU. Is there a decent support in Ireland for "Irexit"?
I think if this battle was fought in Ireland, it might be of an assistance to the "Brexit" campaign in that it shows that its not a right wing isolationist minority here in the UK that hate the EU. Many, like myself, would probably be bracketed as "left" whatever that means anymore. I think that a solidarity with the Irish anti-EU groups might be something worth pursuing.
For them that don't know yet.--- Having been fraudulently induced into the EEC in 1972, it is argued that we are not lawfully within the EU anyway. There is Common Law aplenty to back this idea/fact up, and article 61 of Magna Carta to set you up on the path of 'lawful rebellion'. MC61 is a useful tool in harassing the present governance, (we do not have a government), which is proceeding in a treason, ongoing since the 'entry' in 1972. No public institution has any lawful authority in the uk, since the invocation of Art61, (in March 2001). Don't dispare! We are under foreign occupation and the corporate quislings running the show at present are running scared, making mistake after mistake. Stay peaceful!
(01-23-2018, 08:29 PM)kendom Wrote: The agenda is certainly gathering pace day by day. Have you noticed more and more interviews on MSM leaning towards the "BREXIT MAY NOT HAPPEN" narrative? I have and yes it's very frustrating and regrettably there is no easy answer as to what to do. The agenda will continue whether we like it or not, too many people have their head in the sand to do anything about it. I will just keep spreading the spoken word and liking ans sharing on social media facebook, twitter etc and letting people be aware of what is happening. Awareness is the key i think and awakening as many people as possible, even if your message just reaches 1 person per week it can help. Without collective action we are doomed but i can see there being an uproar by the general public if the decision on Brexit is overturned....maybe that's the only way to initiate collective action.
Brexit sounds like a laxative Breakfast cereal, a variant of Weetabix and Ready Brek. I first heard the term from an arch Remainer and warmonger, Denis MacShane on Twitter. Before then I would have talked either of leaving the European Union or of replacing it with a loose association of independent nations. The EU has become a vehicle for enforcing globalist policies and abolishing traditional national identities. Mass migration is a tool to undermine social cohesion and traditional support structures.
Anyway I don't want to preach to the converted. Our rulers don't really care about Europe either (note how they try to get us to confuse Europe with the EU). For them the EU is merely a means to an end, but not the only means. While immigration from EU27 countries rose greatly in the early 2000s, it now makes up less than half of net immigration to the UK. I suspect the final deal will see the UK as an associate member of the EU, free to open its markets even more to countries like India, China and the USA. I seriously do not see London becoming more English. The outcome of the EU Referendum (and I voted #leave) was only a temporary setback for the global elites. Note how T May seems so keen on censoring the Internet and tackling unofficial #fakenews.
Wow! The former EU Commissioners views were unexpected, eh?
What else did you expect her to say. She is hardly going to be impartial on this.
03-03-2018, 12:12 PM
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(03-03-2018, 10:56 AM)giancarlopagganinni Wrote: Wow! The former EU Commissioners views were unexpected, eh?
What else did you expect her to say. She is hardly going to be impartial on this.
Quite a lot more, actually. The government have made a complete shambles of Brexit, and people are worried about their jobs and the future, with so many unanswered questions as follows-
1. Do you accept that many people who voted Leave did so without knowing the full terms of Brexit?
2. Do you accept that it is open to the people to change their minds if they decide Brexit will in fact harm their own and the country’s interests?
3. Do you accept that there is no monopoly on patriotism and that there might be a patriotic case for wishing to reverse the referendum decision, if enough people feel it will be damaging to the UK?
4. Do you agree the government approach can now be defined as “Brexit at any cost”?
5. Do you accept that people are entitled to be concerned at the scale of that cost, economically and politically?
6. Do you accept that the financial cost of withdrawal, the UK having to pay for previous EU obligations but not benefit from future opportunities, could be as high as £60bn?
7. Do you agree with the Prime Minister’s and the Chancellor’s former views that maintaining our partnership with the biggest political union and largest commercial market on our doorstep fulfills rather than diminishes our national interest?
8. Is there not something surreal about the Prime Minister and Chancellor now claiming hard Brexit is a huge boon for the country when during the campaign they said the opposite, in Hammond’s case with real conviction?
9. Do you accept that politics, not economics or the genuine national interest, is now driving the Hard Brexit chosen by May?
10. Are you seriously saying the PM’s vision of Britain as a “great open trading nation” is best served by leaving the largest free trading bloc in the world? Might her vision of Britain as a bridge between Europe and the US be more realistic if we remained part of the EU?
11. In what way will her call for a fairer capitalism be met by moving to a low tax, light regulation economy?
12. Do you accept that if the right-wing ideologues pushing a hard Brexit so Britain becomes a low tax, low regulation, offshore hub have their way, we will need huge tax and welfare changes? Were they voted for in the referendum?
13. Will this approach in fact lead to less not more public money for the NHS?
Less not more protection for workers?
14. Is it not the case that the UK government could make these changes now, but wouldn’t because they know they do not have public support for them?
15. Is there any chance at all that Brexit will lead to £350m a week more for the NHS
16. Please define the “big argument” that Tony Blair argues is missing from this pursuit of hard Brexit, and how it will benefit Britain economically.
17. Do you agree that of the many arguments put forward for Leave in the referendum, only immigration and the ECJ (European Court of Justice) are still really being pursued?
18. Do you accept that the Leave campaign deliberately conflated the ECJ and the ECHR (European Court of Human Rights)?
19. Can you confirm that that ECHR is not and never has been a EU body?
20. Can you name any laws the UK has not been able to pass because of the ECJ?
21. Can you confirm that of net immigration into the UK in 2016, over half was from outside the EU?
22. Do you accept that as May wants to keep those EU immigrants who come with a confirmed job offer, and students, this leaves around 80,000 who come looking for work without a job?
23. Do you agree that of these 80,000, roughly a third comes to London, mostly working in the food processing and hospitality sectors; and that the practical impact of Brexit on our “control” of immigration is on analysis less than 12% of the immigration total?
24. Do you agree that most of the immigrants we are talking about in this 12% work hard and pay their taxes?
25. Do you think the biggest constitutional, political, economic and social change of our lifetime is merited by such numbers as set out in questions 22 to 24?
26. Do you accept that the immigration most people worry about – that of people determined to challenge our security and way of life, in the name of a perverted view of Islam – is not affected by Brexit?
27. Do you agree that the post Article 50 negotiations are going to be as complex as any we have experienced, covering a vast number of areas?
28. Do you accept, as a matter of fact, that the single market covers around half of our trade in goods and services?
29. Do you accept that leaving the Customs Union may adversely impact on trade with other countries like Turkey?
30. Can you confirm that we will need to negotiate the replacement of over 50 Preferential Trade Agreements we have via our membership of the EU?
31. Do you accept that EU-related trade is actually two thirds of the UK total?
32. Do you accept scientific research and culture are both going to suffer as a result of Brexit, and indeed already are?
33. Are you content to have the WTO as a fall back strategy should we fail to reach a satisfactory deal within two years?
34. Do you accept this too has enormous complexity attached to it; that we would need to negotiate the removal not just of tariff barriers; but the prevention of non-tariff barriers which today are often the biggest impediments to trade?
35) Do you agree that the fall in the value of sterling against the euro and the dollar as a result of Brexit is an indication that the international financial markets believe we are going to be poorer?
36. Do you accept that therefore the price of imported goods is up and so will be inflation?
37. Do you agree that the single market and enlargement were huge foreign policy successes for the UK?
38. Do you agree that the single market has brought billions of pounds of wealth, hundreds of thousands of jobs, and major investment opportunities for the UK?
39. Do you agree that enlargement has enhanced EU and NATO security?
40. Do you accept that in the early 21st century, most countries are seeking to forge rather than break regional and economic alliances?
41. Do you agree we can do more on issues like the environment with others than alone?
42. Do you agree that the route taken on and since June 23 has helped revive the argument about Scotland leaving the UK?
43. Do you accept that the failure to address the question of how to maintain EU freedom of movement without a hard border between Ireland and the UK is destabilising the peace process?
44. Do you accept the government is obsessed with Brexit, and has no choice but to be so?
45. Do you accept that the scale of government focus on Brexit is having a detrimental impact on their ability to deal with other issues, such as the NHS, education, the new economy, crime, prisons – and, er, immigration policy?
46. Do you accept there is a cartel of right wing newspapers skewing the debate in the broadcast media, and whose support for May is contingent on her pursuing a hard Brexit policy?
47. Do you agree that had the business survey mentioned by Blair said the opposite – namely huge confidence in Brexit – it would have led the news because the cartel would have splashed on it, not ignored it?
48. Do you accept Brexit has divided the country across its nations, regions and generations, contrary to May’s claim to have 65million people behind her?
The government has so far delivered very little with regard to securing a successful Brexit. Of course the EU is not perfect by far, however once outside of the EU, Britain will still need to adhere to many of their rules but have no say in the shaping of the future direction of the EU.