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Scientists tell us that there is water under the polar ice caps of Mars and that it once flowed all over the surface also. So the logical Scientific conclusion is that because water is necessary for life, that life must not only still exist there but that ancient civilizations once thrived there. Just like most things today you don't need any real proof, for people to believe something as long as it comes from a scientist and it fits an agenda.
According to some scientific articles I have read on the subject of the existence of water, on the planets of our solar system. That, at the time Mars was covered with water, the earth on the other hand was a molten ball of lava with no atmosphere. This is an article from the Smithsonian magazine on how water was delivered to the earth.
'Water molecules were surely part of the dusty swirl that coalesced into the Sun and its planets beginning about nine billion years after the Big Bang. But Earth’s early history, including epochs with high ambient temperatures and no enveloping atmosphere, implies that surface water would have evaporated and drifted back into space. The water we encounter today, it seems, must have been delivered long after Earth formed.

Faced with this conundrum, astronomers realized that there are two ready-made sources: comets and asteroids, the solar system’s gravel strewn among planetary boulders. The primary difference between the two is that comets typically have a greater concentration of ingredients that vaporize when heated, accounting for their iconic gaseous tails. Both comets and asteroids can contain ice. And if, by colliding with Earth, they added the amount of material some scientists suspect, such bodies could easily have delivered oceans’ worth of water'.
Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n...e-to-earth-
It seems from reading this article that the water delivery, didn't begin until after the earths atmosphere had miraculously appeared. Apparently passing comets and asteroids where trying to deliver water to earth in vain, for billions of years prior to the atmosphere developing itself. According to the article it was a piece of cake after that to deliver vast oceans of water both salt and fresh. Then there's the water circuit, the tides, gravity, wind, rain also snow. If you want these amazing things explained ask science, they know stuff.
Then there's life in all it's diversity. No problems there either, life was delivered by meteorites containing bacteria. Its interesting to note from my own layman observations, that meteorites mostly burn up in the upper atmosphere and the ones that make it to earth are burnt black. Of course there's a scientific explanation for how life formed.
'Everywhere he looks, Dr Hazen says, he sees the same fascinating process: increasing complexity. “You see the same phenomena over and over, in languages and in material culture—in life itself. Stuff gets more complicated.” It’s the complexity of the hydro thermal vent environment—gushing hot water mixing with cold water near rocks, and ore deposits providing hard surfaces where newly formed amino acids could congregate—that makes it such a good candidate as a cradle of life. “Organic chemists have long used test tubes,” he says, “but the origin of life uses rocks, it uses water, it uses atmosphere. Once life gets a foothold, the fact that the environment is so variable is what drives evolution.” Minerals evolve, life arises and diversifies, and along come trilobites, whales, primates and, before you know it, brass bands'.
Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n...-60437133/

Wow ! that's such a convincing argument, no wonder scientists make fun of people that believe in God. I guess the term 'Fake news' doesn't just apply to politics, sadly these theories are taught in schools and Universities. My thoughts on all of this are clearly known from previous threads, so this is the version I believe in.
Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. This statement means the earth was covered with water in the beginning and the land rose up from beneath it. Life came by the movement of the Spirit, so this is a Spiritual principle not just a natural one. 
Ecc 1:7  All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. This is a Biblical account of the water circuit by the way.
Just to sum up, perhaps the Billions of dollars spent in NASA's Mars folly, could be better spent on alleviating Earths poverty.
Just a few more comments to add to this thread. If life came to earth via meteorites and comet clouds, traveling the universe with the building blocks for life on them, where did the building blocks originate from?
Here's a scientific explanation. 'What if life didn’t start on Earth at all? What if the building blocks came from space, drifting through the cosmos for millions of years. Astronomers have discovered amino acids in comets, and even alcohol floating in distant clouds of gas and dust (alcohol causes lots of these idea's to make sense)
Maybe it wasn’t the organic chemicals that came first, but the process of 'self organization'. There are examples of inorganic chemicals and metals that can organize themselves under the right conditions. The process of metabolism came first, and then organic chemicals adopted this process'.
I know God has a sense of humour because that's where we got ours from, this stuff must be amusing to him.
I often think of the conversation God had with Job about creation.
Job 38:1  Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 
Job 38:2  Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? 
Job 38:4  Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 
Job 38:21  Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great? 
Job 38:22  Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail, (no snowflake is alike and all have 6 sides to their amazing designs, perhaps the blueprint for these was traveling in a comets tail) 
Job 38:23  Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war? (a time when there would be microscopes and non stop wars).
Perhaps if scientists today were more like the scientists of the past that believed in God. Then their discoveries would contain more revelation than foolish supposition.
By the way scientists may know the elements contained in water H2O but they don't have a clue what water actually is.