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US-backed coup in Bolivia
#1
In the best traditions of Operation Condor…
On 10 November 2019, Socialist, Bolivian President Evo Morales resigned, pushed out by a military coup d’état backed by the Trump administration.
Morales invited the international community to audit the election results, saying: “Let them come here. Let them know how much they have earned”.

Evo Morales had been president of Bolivia since January 2006. In October 2019, Morales was re-elected for the third time, defeating challengers Carlos Mesa and Chi Hyun Chung; he got more votes than they combined.
Because his margin over lead challenger Mesa exceeded 10% there wouldn’t be a second voting round.

During the time Morales was president, Bolivia had “an unprecedented decade of political and social stability and a growth rate between 4% and 6%” — a respectable 4.2% in 2018: https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-coup-pl...es/5694446


Look how wonderful, newly installed “interim” Bolivian president, Yankee puppet Jeanine Anez has earlier “recognized Juan Guaidó as acting president of Venezuela”!

Maybe the motive for this coup was that Bolivia doesn’t export enough cocaine?!?
In 2017, Anez’s nephew was arrested in Brazil for smuggling 480 kilos of drugs. After this, security minister Carlos Romero called Anez’s position in the senate "rogue": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanine_%C3%81%C3%B1ez


In the Bolivia coup, military and police officials trained by the US were pivotal. At least 6 of the key coup plotters were former alumni of the infamous School of the Americas.
Morales resigned after commander of Bolivia’s armed forces Williams Kaliman “suggested” that he step down. Kaliman had been trained at the military training school in Fort Benning in Georgia, WHINSEC, formerly known as the School of the Americas (SOA). In 2003, Kaliman the “Comando y Estado Mayor” course at the SOA.
Kaliman and another of the coup plotters have served in the past as Bolivia’s military and police attachés in Washington.

Radio Education Network of Bolivia (Erbol) leaked 16 audios, in which current and former Bolivian police, military, and opposition leaders call for a coup against Morales by orchestrating nationwide street protests, strikes and other disruptive tactics.
They talk about support from Republicans Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz, and Democrat Robert Menendez. They also talk about support from evangelical groups, Colombian President Iván Duque, ex-Colombian President Álvaro Uribe, and Brazil’s Zionist President Jair Bolsonaro.

The leaked audio shows that former Cochabamba mayor and former presidential candidate Manfred Reyes Villa played a central role in the plot.
Reyes, who currently resides in the US, just happens to have been schooled WHINSEC (a.k.a. School of the Americas). The other 4 ex-military officials in the leaked tape - General Remberto Siles Vasquez, Colonel Julio César Maldonado Leoni, Colonel Oscar Pacello Aguirre and Colonel Teobaldo Cardozo Guevara – all attended the SOA.

Commander General of the Bolivian Police, Vladimir Yuri Calderón Mariscal, led large parts of the police revolt on 9 November.
In 2018, Calderón Mariscal served as President of Police Attachés of Latin America in the United States of America (APALA), in Washington DC.
At APALA’s founding in 2012, then-OAS Secretary General José Miguel Insulza (centre in photo below) met with the group’s leaders.
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US government agencies like USAID have financed anti-Morales groups for years: https://thegrayzone.com/2019/11/13/boliv...-programs/
(http://web.archive.org/web/2019111416071...-programs/)


Because of all of this “green energy” propaganda, Lithium has become a popular commodity (used in electric cars).
The military coup in Bolivia was staged within a week after President Evo Morales cancelled an agreement (on 4 November) with the German company ACI Systems Alemania (ACISA) for developing lithium.

Somewhat underreported were the protests from residents of the Potosí area about the pollution caused by developing lithium. The Potosí region in Bolivia has an estimated 50% to 70% of the world's lithium reserves: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/1...thium-deal
(http://archive.is/RFjTm)


Here’s a video on the military coup.
https://youtu.be/zqJytTbwhY0
Donald Trump is very cozy with the Rothschild crime syndicate: www.lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1038&start=40#p4587
#2
Illegitimate usurper president Jeanine Anez breached articles 161 and 169 of the Bolivian Constitution.
According to art. 161 the Legislative Assembly’s functions include “accept(ing) or reject(ing) the resignation of the president (and) vice president”.

According to art. 169:
Quote:In the event of an impediment or definitive absence of the President, he or she shall be replaced by the Vice President and, in the absence of the latter, by the President of the Senate, and in his or her absence by the President of the Chamber of Deputies. In this last case, new elections shall be called within a maximum period of ninety days.

In case of temporary absence, the Vice President shall assume the Presidency for a term not to exceed ninety days.

Before the CIA coup, most Bolivians knew little or nothing about Anez, who was elected to Bolivia’s Senate in 2014 with (only) 91,895 votes (1.7% of the 5,171,428 votes).

In support of the CIA-coup, Twitter created 4,492 accounts in only 2 days.
Luciano Galup noted that 3,612 of those accounts have less than 2 followers: https://stephenlendman.org/2019/11/cia-i...n-bolivia/


Firestarter Wrote:Maybe the motive for this coup was that Bolivia doesn’t export enough cocaine?!?
In 2017, Anez’s nephew was arrested in Brazil for smuggling 480 kilos of drugs. After this, security minister Carlos Romero called Anez’s position in the senate "rogue": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanine_%C3%81%C3%B1ez
The following story certainly makes it more probable that a motive for getting rid of President Morales was that he took the “War on drugs” a bit too seriously. In a strange twist even rumours have been spread that Morales was promoting illicit drugs (while selected puppet president Jeanine Anez’s nephew was caught smuggling drugs).

According to UNDOC, Bolivian farmers are helped to “develop licit farming alternatives to coca bush cultivation”. “Related activities” with Bolivian authorities continue “fight(ing) against drug trafficking and contribute to achieving the objectives of the National Alternative Development Plan”.
In February 2019, UNODC reported that Bolivia had “inaugurated port control to boost the fight against illicit drug trafficking”.

The project:
Quote:reduc(ed) illicit coca bush cultivation and cocaine trafficking (under Morales), providing licit economic alternatives, thus reducing poverty and social marginalization.
It emphasizes the prevention and further expansion of illicit coca bush cultivation and the need to improve the living conditions of people in areas under such cultivation.

While there are many rumours that Morales won the presidential elections through fraud, an “independent analysis” by the Center for Economic Policy Research revealed no evidence of fraud or electoral irregularities: https://stephenlendman.org/2019/11/moral...rco-state/


Germany’s ACISA wasn’t the only company that was trying to make deals to get Bolivian Lithium…
In 2018, Bolivia exported nearly $0.56 million worth of Lithium Carbonate. Bolivia has exported $0.35 million to China and $0.22 million to the US in Lithium.
[Image: 3-36.jpg]

In February 2019, state-owned Yacimientos de Litio Bolivianos Corporación (YLB) signed a $2.3 billion deal with the Chinese TBEA Group.
This year, landlocked Bolivia was also trying to close a Lithium deal with the Indian consortium KABIL - National Aluminum Company (NALCO), Hindustan Copper (HCL) and Mineral Exploration Corp Ltd. (MECL): https://www.financialexpress.com/economy...a/1657630/
(http://web.archive.org/web/2019072713344...a/1657630/)


In 2009, Jeremy Bigwood and Eva Golinger obtained (formerly) classified documents through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request that show that since 2002 the US Agency for International Development (USAID) invested more than $97 million in “decentralization” and “regional autonomy” projects and political opposition parties in Bolivia.
USAID apparently was the “first donor to support departmental governments” and “decentralization programs” in Bolivia.

Through the international branches of the Republicon-Democrook party, the International Republican Institute (IRI) and National Democratic Institute (NDI) that are funded by the Department of State and CIA-front the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), USAID has funded and provided strategic political aid to opposition groups in Bolivia. The principal beneficiaries of this funding were opposition parties Podemos, MNR, MIR and more than 100 politically-oriented NGOs in Bolivia.
In 2007, $1.25 million was dedicated to “training for members of political parties on current political and electoral processes, including the constituent assembly and the referendum on autonomy”.

One document explains that this “decentralization” and “regional autonomy” program began in 2004, when USAID established an Office for Transition Initiatives (OTI) en Bolivia. The OTI contracted the US company Casals & Associates to coordinate a program based that included autonomy for the region surrounding the province of Santa Cruz de la Sierra in Eastern Bolivia where the hard core opposition to President Evo Morales is based.

For some reason, these documents have disappeared from the internet (I couldn’t find them): https://nacla.org/news/usaids-silent-invasion-bolivia
(http://archive.is/d1Wcs)
Donald Trump is very cozy with the Rothschild crime syndicate: www.lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1038&start=40#p4587
#3
Newly declared interim President Jeanine Anez, whose party received only 4% of the votes in October, has expelled hundreds of Cuban doctors, broken off ties to Venezuela and pulled Bolivia out of multiple international treaties and intercontinental organisations.
Anez declared that she is “committed to taking all measures necessary to pacify” the population. Anez has described indigenous Bolivians as “satanic” (there is some discussion on whether the following tweet is real and has been deleted since).
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Many people look to international human rights organisations to actually defend them against state terrorism. Human Rights Watch (HRW) has once again shown to endorse US-backed coups.
In its official communiqué, HRW didn’t call it a “coup”, instead insisting Morales “resigned”. HRW’s Americas Director José Miguel Vivanco claimed President Morales stepped down “after weeks of civil unrest and violent clashes” and for some reason “forgets” to mention opposition violence against his party or the US-trained military “suggesting”, at gunpoint, that he resign.

HRW Director Kenneth Roth went even further, noting that elected president Morales having to flee the country is a refreshing step forward for democracy, and that Morales was “the casualty of a counter-revolution aimed at defending democracy … against electoral fraud and his own illegal candidacy”.
Roth also presented President Morales as an out-of-touch “strongman” and claimed that Morales had ordered the army to shoot protesters, but didn’t provide any evidence for this allegation: https://www.mintpressnews.com/human-righ...ia/262887/


On the evening of 18 November, Bolivia’s government sent in helicopters, tanks and heavily armed soldiers to break the protests at and blockade of the Senkata gas plant in the indigenous city of El Alto. On 19 November, all hell broke loose when the soldiers began tear-gassing and then shot into the crowd of peaceful protesters. Some were just walking to work when they were struck by bullets.

At least dozens of people were taken to local clinics with bullet wounds of which 8 confirmed dead. A grieving mother whose son was shot cried out: “They’re killing us like dogs”.
The 21 November peaceful funeral procession to commemorate the dead was also tear-gassed.

For some reason our wonderful media hasn’t given much publicity to this event (and instead reported that the army overthrew Morales because HE had ordered to shoot protesters)…
The Anez administration threatened journalists if they cover protests. Bolivia’s main TV station reported only 3 deaths and blamed the violence on the protesters, showing a speech by new Defence Minister Fernando Lopez, who lied that the soldiers did not fire “a single bullet” and claimed that “terrorist groups” had tried to use dynamite to break into the gasoline plant: https://www.globalresearch.ca/they-killi...lp/5695714
Donald Trump is very cozy with the Rothschild crime syndicate: www.lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1038&start=40#p4587
#4
On Thursday, newly installed puppet Bolivian Foreign Minister Karen Longaric said Bolivia will "restore relations with Israel".
Israeli foreign minister Israel Katz was pleased and added:
Quote:The departure of President Morales, who was hostile to Israel, and his replacement by a government friendly to Israel, allows the fruition of the process.

In 2009, Evo Morales cut relations with Tel Aviv shortly after Israel carried out a three-week attack of Gaza, killing 1,282 Palestinians (of which 333 children). Morales also said that he would ask the International Criminal Court (ICC) to charge Israeli officials for the killings.
In 2010, Morales also formally recognised Palestine as a sovereign and independent state within the 1967-defined borders: http://217.218.67.231/Detail/2019/11/29/...ith-Israel-


Here’s some information on the dirt poor Bolivia...
To me it looks like Bolivia was doing relatively well in the period that Morales was president.

Bolivia had an average population growth of 1.9% per year from 2000 to 2016
[Image: Honduras-Guyana-Bolivia-Population-growth.png]

In 2004, in a referendum a majority of Bolivians voted for expanding state control over the hydrocarbons sector.
In May 2006, then newly-elected president Evo Morales renationalized Bolivia’s oil and gas industries. This has increased tax revenue, to spend on Bolivia’s government policy.

Bolivia also greatly expanded its international reserves, which has allowed Bolivia to gain its independence from the IMF.
Bolivia’s international reserves are currently at more than 48% of GDP, which is relatively high.
[Image: bolivia-10-2014-2-reserves.jpg]

While our wonderful media often claim that nationalisations is the end of attracting international investment, Bolivia had the highest level of foreign direct investment in South America, as percent of GDP, in 2013.
[Image: bolivia-10-2014-4-fdi.jpg]

Head of the Economic Commission on Latin America and the Caribbean Alicia Barcena has praised Bolivia for decreasing economic inequality.
From 2005-2014, the real minimum wage in Bolivia increased by 87.7%.

In 2008, the US added Bolivia to its list of countries that had “failed demonstrably” to fight drugs. Bolivia has remained on the list, despite having considerably reduced the amount of coca cultivation: http://cepr.net/blogs/the-americas-blog/...-10-graphs
Donald Trump is very cozy with the Rothschild crime syndicate: www.lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1038&start=40#p4587
#5
It looks like gas and indium are more important motives for the Bolivian coup, than Lithium.


The two largest sources of indium in the world are in Canada (Mount Pleasant) and Bolivia (Malku Khota). Canada could potentially produce 38.5 tons of indium per year, while Bolivia’s mines could produce 80 tons per year (more than double the Canadian potential).
Canada’s South American Silver Corporation (now TriMetals Mining) had signed a concession to explore and eventually mine Malku Khota for which work began in 2003.
In 2011, a report for the Canadian mining company showed that the Malku Khota mine would produce substantial amounts of silver, indium, lead, zinc, copper, and gallium.

In 2005, after Evo Morales and the Movement for Socialism (MAS) won their first presidential election in Bolivia, he first nationalised the gas and oil companies.
In July 2012, Morales’ government nationalised the Malku Khota property of South American Silver Company.
South American Silver took the Bolivian government to the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague. In November 2018, the Court awarded TriMetals $27.7 million from Bolivia (rather than the $385.7 million it had demanded).

Heads of mining firms made disparaging comments about the nationalisation program.
In July 2007, US Ambassador to Bolivia Philip Goldberg, in reply to a request to meet with Bolivian Vice President Álvaro García Linera, said:
Quote:Sadly, without dynamite in the streets, it is uncertain whether the Embassy or the international mining companies will be able to attain even this minimal goal.

A Wall Street banker reportedly commented: “If Bolivia keeps on this path, these companies will make sure that Bolivian natural gas remains underground”, Bolivia might be embargoed; and Morales assassinated: https://www.salon.com/2019/11/22/the-cou...s_partner/
(http://archive.is/jJNsE)


Bolivia has the second-largest natural gas reserves in South America, after Venezuela.
After signing a decree to nationalise the natural gas industry, on 1 May 2005, President Evo Morales took over installations by using military force. It were really the natural gas profits that boosted Bolivia’s economy more than anything else.

The state-owned Brazilian Petrobrás was among the most affected by the nationalisation, as it controlled 14% of Bolivia's natural gas reserves.
The 2 most significant foreign companies involved with the exploration of natural gas in Bolivia are Petrobrás from Brazil and the Spanish-Argentine company Repsol YPF. Others involved are Total from France, British Gas and British Petroleum as well as the US Exxon Mobil Corporation.

Bolivia’s gas profits have dropped in time. In 2018, Bolivia’s gas exports fell by about 30%, while public debt soared to 51% of gross domestic product in 2017, from 36% in 2014.
Bolivia has looked at opportunities to sell more gas to Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay but there isn’t much (extra) demand from those countries.

Argentina has been increasing gas up sales to Brazil, Chile, and Uruguay, while decreasing its gas imports. In October, Argentine former Energy Minister Javier Iguacel said that by 2020 the country won’t need Bolivian gas.
Contracts with Bolivia’s biggest customers - Brazil and Argentina - are being renegotiated. Brazil now spends about $1.3 billion a year on Bolivian gas: https://en.mercopress.com/2019/04/23/bol...-argentina
(http://archive.is/dMcUZ)


The following story, confirms that gas is important for the newly installed Bolivian puppet regime, although it’s different than I would expect from a right wing government, supporting “free trade”...

In 2015, Morales, passed legislation to open the country's national reserves to oil and gas exploration.
In 2017, Bolivian state oil company YPFB formed 2 joint ventures with the Brazilian state company Petrobras to explore and develop the Astilleros and San Telmo Norte blocks, on Bolivia's border with Argentina. Petrobras would invest $676 million in the projects, of which it owns 60%, while YPFB would own 40%.

After local protests, Bolivia's new puppet government ordered Petrobras to stop oil and gas exploration in this national reserve: https://www.spglobal.com/platts/en/marke...al-reserve
(http://archive.is/oqBeQ)
Donald Trump is very cozy with the Rothschild crime syndicate: www.lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1038&start=40#p4587
#6
In November, December 2019, an Argentine delegation visited Bolivia, including Juan Grabois (CTEP), Roberto Carlés (a lawyer), Pablo Pimentel (APDH), Mauricio Rojas (APDH), Victoria Freire (Observatory of Gender and Public Policies of the City), Daniel Catalano (ATE), Marianela Navarro (FOL) and Sergio Smietniansky (CADEP).

At that time already 31 protesters were killed and hundreds wounded, since Bolivian President Evo Morales was ousted in the US-backed coup on 10 November 2019.
The Argentine delegation were told of disappearances, murders, arbitrary detentions, rapes, torture and hospitals that refuse to care for the wounded caused by the brutal repression.

The Argentine delegation were held and kicked at the airport by a mob. According to Carlés they pushed and hit them, with Daniel Catalano being kicked.
Carlés said:
Quote:From the apparel they wore, we assume they were civilian police forces. Meanwhile, the uniformed police were there witnessing all the harassment and doing nothing.
Then Minister Arturo Murillo came to threaten them: “Be careful, we are watching you”.

Lawyer Luis Arias, who was also part of the Argentine delegation, says that they faced attacks and threats from the “interim” government of Jeanine Añez.
Arias said:
Quote:This government has unleashed a huge racial hatred. They opened Pandora’s Box and a thousand demons came out who are expressing themselves in situations of profound violence.

Public hospitals do not want to treat the wounded and the public defenders do not want to defend the victims. There is a deep racial hatred that is directed especially against the most vulnerable sectors and women.

The stories are frightening. There are reports of disappearances, arbitrary detentions – among which are the case of three young people with Down’s syndrome - , torture of children, murders as a result of repressive actions by police forces, injuries by lead bullets, fires, among other things.
https://orinocotribune.com/members-of-ar...epression/
(http://archive.is/g3HvS)


Illegitimate usurper president Jeanine Anez (again) breached article 169 of the Bolivian Constitution.
Firestarter Wrote:According to art. 169:
Quote:In the event of an impediment or definitive absence of the President, he or she shall be replaced by the Vice President and, in the absence of the latter, by the President of the Senate, and in his or her absence by the President of the Chamber of Deputies. In this last case, new elections shall be called within a maximum period of ninety days.

In case of temporary absence, the Vice President shall assume the Presidency for a term not to exceed ninety days.
If I've calculated correctly, that should be 8 February 2020 at the latest, while the elections are planned for 3 May…

Since Jeanine Anez was installed as puppet president it has launched a crackdown on all “hostile” media , closing down TV stations like TeleSUR. Critical journalists have even died under suspicious circumstances.
The Anez administration has also set up new SWAT-like secret police battalions to suppress “subversive voices”.

Bolivia pulled out of several international organizations (Morales was allowed to run based on an international treaty signed by Bolivia), has expelled thousands of foreigners, has recognised Israel and invited the Israeli Defense Forces to train the Bolivian security services and has even recognised the much despised Juan Guaidó as the head of state of Venezuela.
Earlier this month, a USAID team arrived in Bolivia to advise the government on how to stage the upcoming election.

The “interim government” led by Añez administration has started a privatisation program, aimed at selling Bolivia’s natural resources.

The Socialist MAS party (of Morales) announced for its candidates for the May elections Luis Arce Catacora for president and David Choquehuanca for vice-president. MAS leaders met in Argentina due to the repression in Bolivia.
Several MAS leaders couldn’t attend the meeting in Argentina. Walter Ferrufino was arrested when he tried to travel to Argentina for the meeting and Andrónico Rodríguez could not attend after he was accused of crimes by the new Anez administration: https://www.mintpressnews.com/bolivia-el...rs/264240/
(http://archive.is/fMvIU)
Donald Trump is very cozy with the Rothschild crime syndicate: www.lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1038&start=40#p4587
#7
(01-22-2020, 04:05 PM)Firestarter Wrote: Illegitimate usurper president Jeanine Anez (again) breached article 169 of the Bolivian Constitution.
Firestarter Wrote:According to art. 169:
Quote:In the event of an impediment or definitive absence of the President, he or she shall be replaced by the Vice President and, in the absence of the latter, by the President of the Senate, and in his or her absence by the President of the Chamber of Deputies. In this last case, new elections shall be called within a maximum period of ninety days.

In case of temporary absence, the Vice President shall assume the Presidency for a term not to exceed ninety days.
If I've calculated correctly, that should be 8 February 2020 at the latest, while the elections are planned for 3 May…
The general elections in Bolivia that were scheduled for 3 May 2020 were postponed to September 2020, for which the coronavirus “pandemic” was used an excuse (what else?).
Newly installed “interim” Bolivian president, Yankee puppet Jeanine Anez, has announced that she and another 7 “interim” ministers in her government tested “positive” for COVID-19. It looks like the election will be postponed again (and again and again) in a wonderful example of “democracy”: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/wor...n-12935564


The “mainstream” New York Times reported that the Organization of American States (OAS) claims that Evo Morales won the elections by fraud was severely flawed, as the OAS used incorrect data and inappropriate statistical techniques to manipulate the numbers to artificially create the appearance of a break in the voting trend.

Morales Tweeted in response:
Quote:Another independent student, adding to the many that already exist, shows that there was no fraud in the elections of October 20, 2019 in Bolivia, MAS-IPSP won cleanly. The people know they were cheated, they are wise and will be able to recover democracy.

The Puebla Group requested the “OAS validate the electoral results of the October 20, 2019 elections and declare the legitimacy of the election to the presidency of Evo Morales” and demanded from the Jeanine Áñez government to “immediately hand over state power, due to the systemic and inexplicable delays to hold elections in said country”: https://peoplesdispatch.org/2020/06/11/8...ral-fraud/
(http://archive.is/zs7w1)
Donald Trump is very cozy with the Rothschild crime syndicate: www.lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1038&start=40#p4587
#8
On July 24, 2020, Tesla’s Elon Musk tweeted that: “Another government stimulus package is not in the best interests of the people”.
Someone quickly replied to Musk on Twitter, “You know what wasn’t in the best interest of people? The U.S. government organizing a coup against Evo Morales in Bolivia so you could obtain the lithium there”.

Musk then replied:
Quote:We will coup whoever we want! Deal with it.
[Image: Bolivia-coup-Musk.png]

Elon Musk quickly deleted this (last) tweet, but not before it was archived:
http://web.archive.org/web/2020072618201...wsrc%5Etfw
(http://archive.is/TxgVK)

Evo Morales responded to Musk’s tweet (translated from Spanish):
Quote:Elon Musk, the owner of the largest electric car company, says about the coup in Bolivia: ‘We will coup whoever we want.’ Another proof that the coup was about Bolivian lithium; at the cost of two massacres. We will always defend our resources!
Tesla of course uses Lithium that is mined in Bolivia for its highly polluting electric cars.

The illegal Jeanine Áñez government bought 170 ventilators from a Spanish supplier for $27,000 a piece. These could have been produced in Bolivia for $1,000 per ventilator.
Health minister Marcelo Navajas was arrested for this scandal: https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/07/29/...n-bolivia/
Donald Trump is very cozy with the Rothschild crime syndicate: www.lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1038&start=40#p4587
  


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