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03-06-2018, 02:33 AM
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I have heard and read many theories on an after life. I had lots of discussions with my Buddhist employee, at a Highway Roadhouse I once Leased. After one such discussion, as I was cleaning the windscreen of a car, that he was filling with petrol. I was removing large stick insects from the car window, I asked him if they may have been people in a previous life. His reply was yes, I said perhaps that's why they flew into the car windshield because they remembered driving cars in another life. He told me that he found out after hypnosis that he had been Alexander the Great and a German officer in previous lives. Maybe it was the life he lived as a German officer that got him the less important gig as a service station attendant, after being Alexander. My question to Buddhists is can a person, who has come back as an animal or a bird or an insect know what they once were, unless they can be hypnotized. Who also judges what is good and bad Karma and determines peoples destiny. The Bible says
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. The Catholics and many other religions,who say that they follow the Bible, also say you go to heaven or hell after death. The Catholics introduce another place called purgatory, which is an in between realm, where if your relatives pay enough money to the Church, you can buy a passage to heaven. Where you can watch over others below. Once again the Bible says something different.
Ecc Ch 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. So if the dead don't have any awareness of the living or even that they are dead, what state are they in and what is our hope for that matter.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep ( died) in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump (not Donald): for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. A complete metamorphosis. A spiritual version of the Monarch butterfly.
I once asked a friend who had died for a number of hours and been revived what he remembered, his reply was, it was like a deep sleep. When I myself have awoken from a deep sleep I am only aware of how long it was, when I look at the clock. It may have been 12 hours or a thousand years for all I know. If it was a thousand years I would need a new body, also if I were to be then an eternal being I would require a different body. A young employee I now have, said during one of our deep discussions, maybe death is like a dream where you, during the dream leave your body. I said but while you are dreaming your body and brain are still functioning, so when you awaken you sometimes remember the dream. In a Bible story Saul the king of Israel went to a Medium to inquire of Samuel the prophet who had died. About what was to happen in an upcoming battle, as God had stopped communicating with him. This is what the Medium saw and the message given from Samuel.
1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.
1Sa 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.
1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted (awoken) me, to bring me up? He then told Saul of his fate. If anyone, would come down from heaven it would be Samuel the prophet, who spent his whole life in Gods service, but he was asleep and was awakened to speak with Saul.
The book of revelation speaks of a first resurrection, which I mentioned earlier in this thread, for those who are" in Christ". It then talks of a second resurrection which is the final judgement day for all mankind. It is up to all of us to chose what we believe on these issues, but it is at the point of our death, where it all comes to a head. This perhaps is another point of view, personally I am with Jesus at his point of death. Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. This is the ultimate act of trust in what you believe.
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British woman Jenny Cockell on her “past lives” Podcast (about 11 minutes in)
http://theunexplained.tv/paranormal-podc...past-lives
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03-06-2018, 04:32 PM
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We are all waiting to take the race of our lives, then we are born, we live and we die, but not all of us at the same time, this is how it has always worked, see the egg develope from the Corpus Luteum and germinated watch it grow and do the dance of life, circumnutation is that dance, day and night it will carry on reaching for the sky, but it will never reach it, so it makes sure it will rise again by spreading its seed in its own image, the Amazon is the culmination of life, spread by birds, and cut down by mankind who is sometimes trying to prevent what is natural by eugenics of every nature.
https://youtu.be/eKo5F87A8a0
From the darkness into the light even when the conditions are not right.
Even off world life reproduces
https://youtu.be/WFx7kfHnKg8
However some parts of nature are more advanced than humans,,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7d5P0pDVUo
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03-06-2018, 08:23 PM
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I guess you are talking about the natural life processes. What I am speaking of is the life force or life itself. Human beings are different because they can choose good or evil. All other creatures can not and don't even consider what comes next after death. Other than they have a strong sense of self preservation and a desire to procreate. The end game is what we personally believe. I have seen a human body that is alive one minute and lifeless the next. What you guys have put forward are, You tube videos and we know not all of the available information on all things is found there. Before I make my final choice on what I put my existence on. I will consider all of the information available, and from my own life and spiritual experiences up to now.
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03-06-2018, 11:57 PM
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(03-06-2018, 08:23 PM)Greg D Wrote: I guess you are talking about the natural life processes. What I am speaking of is tbe life force or life itself. Human beings are different because they can choose good or evil. All other creatures can not and don't even consider what comes next after death. Other than they have a strong sense of self preservation and a disire to procreate. The end game is what we personally believe. I have seen a human body that is alive one minute and lifeless the next. What you guys have put forward are, You tube videos and we know not all of the available information on all things is found there. Before I make my final choice on what I put my existance on. I will consider all of the information available, and from my own life and spiritual experiences up to now.
I had an interesting conversation with a watch tower missionary at our door once and things eventually headed towards a blasphemy notice being offered to me, I mentioned the sun and what all religions are originally based upon, she opened he magazine on the chosen page and handed it to me, at the same time she said we believe in the true creator who made the sun, so I said then who made the creator that made the creator that made the sun, she could not anser me and walked away.
Immediately as the sun climbs its first degree above the equator everything comes back to life from its dormant stage, an energy is felt and spring is in the air, nature is fully aware of this and acts acordingly, but this has to happen before the urge is extant, it is the life force that drives it all.
I see it as the spiritual master and the planet the masterful mother, one does not have to believe in this phenomenon because everyone can both see it and feel it, it is who were are spirtitually yet cleaver men from Tyre want us to believe in something we are told is there but cannot see it.
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03-07-2018, 02:52 AM
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Hi. I don't have much trouble getting Jehovah witnesses to walk away from my conversations either. I often quote this scripture as identifying them and their teachings, 2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Many of the powerless religions of the world have a Gnostic origin and don't believe in miracles today, or the Godhead. The Jehovah witnesses are hung up, on calling God by one of his names of which he has many. One of their leaders told me, that the miraculous healing of my 3 year old son, who was bleeding to death from a cracked skull, after we prayed in tongues the blood stopped. He explained that away as being the power of Devil, according to them only the Devil has power and God has none available to us today. (Denying the power)
God is an eternal Spirit, how he came into being I have no idea, or why he has an interest in me at all. Why he has a desire to have a personal relationship with me, blows me away. The hand of God is the Holy Spirit which moved in the beginning, Spirit in Genesis means breath. That same breath lives in me now, you can't see the wind in the natural, but you can feel the power of it. Likewise you can't see Gravity or the pull of the Magnetic fields, to be effected by them. There are many unseen forces and realms that we are influenced by.
Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. The Godhead is not the trinity as the Catholics would say, but the control room of the universe. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. ( Gods realm is from outside the under the sun world we see) Ecc 1:10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. Ecc 1:11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after. ( The Modern world) Neither the Gnostic's or the JW's believe in the divinity of Jesus but I do because I have seen him working in peoples lives.
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(03-07-2018, 02:52 AM)Greg D Wrote: Hi. I don't have much trouble getting Jehovah witnesses to walk away from my conversations either. I often quote this scripture as identifying them and their teachings, 2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Many of the powerless religions of the world have a Gnostic origin and don't believe in miracles today, or the Godhead. The Jehovah witnesses are hung up, on calling God by one of his names of which he has many. One of their leaders told me, that the miraculous healing of my 3 year old son, who was bleeding to death from a cracked skull, after we prayed in tongues the blood stopped. He explained that away as being the power of Devil, according to them only the Devil has power and God has none available to us today. (Denying the power)
God is an eternal Spirit, how he came into being I have no idea, or why he has an interest in me at all. Why he has a desire to have a personal relationship with me, blows me away. The hand of God is the Holy Spirit which moved in the beginning, Spirit in Genesis means breath. That same breath lives in me now, you can't see the wind in the natural, but you can feel the power of it. Likewise you can't see Gravity or the pull of the Magnetic fields, to be effected by them. There are many unseen forces and realms that we are influenced by.
Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. The Godhead is not the trinity as the Catholics would say, but the control room of the universe. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. ( Gods realm is from outside the under the sun world we see) Ecc 1:10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. Ecc 1:11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after. ( The Modern world) Neither the Gnostic's or the JW's believe in the divinity of Jesus but I do because I have seen him working in peoples lives.
Have you reads these books.
https://archive.org/details/devilspulpit00tayl
https://archive.org/details/golden_bough_0904_librivox
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03-07-2018, 12:35 PM
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No I haven't read those books but I am aware of the pagan worship of Nimrod his wife and his son Tammuz. Which is a sun worship religion, incorporating Christmas and Easter in the northern hemisphere. Where Tammuz comes back to life each year introducing spring, with rabbits and eggs as fertility symbols. Also mother and child worship, none of which are Christian in origin. They are certainly embraced by Catholicism and Orthodox religions but not true Christians.
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03-07-2018, 01:05 PM
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(03-07-2018, 12:35 PM)Greg D Wrote: No I haven't read those books but I am aware of the pagan worship of Nimrod his wife and his son Tammuz. Which is a sun worship religion, incorporating Christmas and Easter in the northern hemisphere. Where Tammuz comes back to life each year introducing spring, with rabbits and eggs as fertility symbols. Also mother and child worship, none of which are Christian in origin. They are certainly embraced by Catholicism and Orthodox religions but not true Christians.
The term true or christian are new testament in nature, the natives in Africa already had their gods long before paganism, their world was and still is in many parts Totism or pre- world sellectives, the so called developed world still see them as savage gardeners in many ways, and are not sharing current sciences with them in order of keeping them down nearer to their root system which could support them indefinately if ever there were another global or natural crisis.
What Fazer rightly pointed out was that these natives had their own Totisms, not a collective but thousands of them all based upon their immediate enviornment and local food sources, snake, monkey, hippo and a plethora of visual shamisms/gods, as did the Egyptians, who eminated from such reigions.
In Taylors book he touches on the subject of solar sciences, where the sun eventually weakens and the precesional or axial tilt diminishes to a state of equilibrium with the equator, current declination is running at around .78 minute every hundred years at the Autumnal Equinox, the equator is where mankind has retreated to many times as the Northern hemisphere becomes untenable for food production/germination, due to reccuring ice ages.
Some might say what has this got to do with religion, well if you read these two books the science behind it is all there to be learned and if correct as science says it will be seen again in the future.
Basically it is the immediate and cyclical environment that drives all outcomes and possibilities, there is no difference today where food is concerned and the changes that these surpluses creates, it is this surplus and the stored energy of the sun that is creating the whole shooting match basically, and when hardships bcekon, spirituality and the need for survival is always the strongest, especially when the lack of well being is being manufactured outside that of true nature and what it can really provide for everyone.
If we concentrate upon written spirituality we will remain stagnent as those who know how the real events were instituted grow stronger and keep the rest locked into an opiate of their design.
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03-08-2018, 12:08 AM
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That is incredibly complicated, how can all mankind understand those principles, or is it only an intellectual elite that will obtain that knowledge and apply it in their own lives. The God I know can be way above human understanding and something to aspire to. Or he can also be simple to understand for those of simple understanding. Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God. We are all equal in his sight. The day I received the Holy Spirit I went from total ignorance before, to an incredible understanding of my place in the universe a second after. John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. A seven year old Spirit filled child knows more than a Theologian, who has studied the Bible 40 years. Theologian is theory but what we have is the practical application of a living book, because we follow a living God.
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. Adam and Eve were mankind's representatives in a special situation, of which I have spoken of in a previous Thread. The African people you mentioned are from outside of the garden and have a different initial relationship with their creator.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. They were given the revelations necessary to live of the land, replenish means to only take what's necessary to live but still have the potential to be in the image of God. The descendants of Adam have the true knowledge of God but they also have the knowledge of the deceiver to mix with it. We all have the option to take on the image of our creator. Some people say they believe in God but the secret is to believe God.
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