[Greg D]

Yes the Catholic system has a lot to answer for, but I thought the three stooges were Jewish. How can you know what 'nature wants ' without someone coming to teach us? It gets harder when there is a force working to deceive and confuse us.

[The Apprentice]

Yes the Catholic system has a lot to answer for, but I thought the three stooges were Jewish.  How can you know what 'nature wants ' without someone coming to teach us? It  gets harder when there is a force working to deceive and confuse us.

I don't believe there is any other force than the ones we were given at birth, I cannot prove that of course but everyone has an "inbuilt choice" to be or do good or not to be, everyone knows they are doing wrong as they act out there lives accordingly, there is no get out clause, no rapture so to say than the one they are all capable of putting right themselves, but the EGO/Devil is one of the opposite forces to be reconned with.

I also do not believe yours or any other god should care for anyone who does not care for each other/their/his/her creation, why should any creator think accordingly.

I guess you believe in The Rapture then?, or maybe the earth is only six thousand years old?.

I will be as good a person as I can, help others who want to help themselves to be a better person/self reliant, using real life skills to ease their own way through life, but its not really an act, but a way of life itself; your Jesus preached such things did he not, I think these are forms of miracles in themselves, where the individual or teacher/preacher shows the student/s how to do things and the student perfects the instruction and goes on to be a teacher themselves then the miracles are complete and so onwards into perfection.

Nature is what it is Greg it is perpetually living on what nature brings it, it is reciprocal, it does not live under any creators rules but under the rules of the conservation of that energy, not as we as humans are led to believe, humans have simply forgot how to live,  the Greeks called it (yeyova), or I aw, which means (I become).

The Catholic church are only one of the stooges Greg, some may call them the anit christ, I see them with no consciousness at all, but they do know what they do that is for certain, they simply chose the opposite path to enlightenment instead one of balance.

https://youtu.be/WEQjsh934vc

[Greg D]

It's 6,000 years since Adam was cast out of the garden. The six days of creation are six Hebrew 'yoms' which means indeterminate periods of time. Probably not billions of years, as that fits in with evolution. The rapture you speak comes from this scripture. *[[1Th 4:16]] KJV* For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: *[[1Th 4:17]] KJV* Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. This is not a secret rapture as that is a Catholic invention to hide their identity as Revelations, woman that sits on seven hills. The anti christ is the Roman pope who claims he is the Holy father which is a title which belongs to God alone. Adam and Eve were not the only people on the earth either.

[The Apprentice]

It's 6,000 years since Adam was cast out of the garden. The six days of creation are six Hebrew  'yoms'  which means indeterminate periods of time. Probably not billions of years, as that fits in with evolution.  

The rapture you speak comes from this scripture. *[[1Th 4:16]] KJV* For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: *[[1Th 4:17]] KJV* Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

This is not a secret rapture as that is a Catholic invention to hide their identity as Revelations, woman that sits on seven hills.

The anti christ is the Roman pope who claims he is the Holy father which is a title which belongs to God alone. Adam and Eve were not the only people on the earth either.

I also do not believe that the earth is only six thousand years old, because we supposedly have no written archives beyond five thousand years, it does not mean human history began as our records began, IE, word of mouth and BTW, this is one of the most accurate especially when this knowledge enabled us to store this knowledge and ways of doing things.

To me the earth itself is Eden and born of nature which is reliant upon the only true energy, and an energy that only nature makes first use of it.

A lecture well worth listening to, if you desire wisdom and knowledge.

https://youtu.be/HcEJr8h_yGM

So the book is still closed until I meet your god in person.

[Greg D]

Who set up nature and who oversee's it? Look around you and explain how it happened. The human brain, the respiratory system, reproduction our ability to reason and our emotions. Why baby humans and baby creatures are cute and we all have nurturing desires inbuilt to care for them? Who set that up?
The planets systems. How trees turn carbon dioxide into oxygen. How our body does the opposite. The water circuit's. *[[Ecc 1:7]] KJV* All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.
I can't understand how intelligent people are unable to acknowledge or even see a creator. *[[Isa 29:16]] KJV* Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?
I am sorry I can't listen to those two confused conceited individuals on the you tube video.

[The Apprentice]

Who set up nature and who oversee's it? Look around you and explain how it happened. The human brain, the respiratory system, reproduction our ability to reason and our emotions. Why baby humans and baby creatures are cute and we all have nurturing desires inbuilt to care for them? Who set that up?

The planets systems. How trees turn carbon dioxide into oxygen. How our body does the opposite. The water circuit's. *[[Ecc 1:7]] KJV* All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.

I can't understand how intelligent people are unable to acknowledge or even see a creator. *[[Isa 29:16]] KJV* Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

I am sorry I can't listen to those two confused  conceited individuals on the you tube video.

Nobody does Greg and never will, they only think there is anything other than nature.

In your minutes you have just explained nature in near perfect balance with the sun and earth an Eden still in the making and still evolving, using the brains we were born with.

However it does not always work like that for everyone, and when things go wrong they ask themselves is there a god at all.

If you shut off your mind and yourself off from any other possibility and any kind of science and stick to only one possible belief system to which there is absolutely no profe whatsoever of any creator/creators plural, then you are running blind to what really counts for enjoying a decent and happy life.

I have given as many proofes of how we can all act and live under the rule of nature/law and can lead a happy creative life ourselves without the need of any religion or belief system, that anything else is a waste of time and energy and going to decimate the minds eye as long as you try to preach and try to convert others away from what is nature under the sun, where we are to be until our deaths, it is a life force so cherished by many that having to give it up is unaceptable and fearful but it s going to happen.

[Greg D]

I get it Apprentice you believe there is no God, only nature.
The original question in this thread is whether lizard, shape shifters influence our society? Is nature going to save us, when they come in their space ships like the TV series V, and hang us all on meat hooks? Do we all join hands and use the force against them? Do we hope that there are good ones amongst them Steve, that can assist us with an armed insurrection on independence day. Perhaps the volcano god will help us to win.
I am sorry I am not convinced with the you tube evidence presented that humans have a hope. I have to believe in the powerful experiences, (not religious ones) I have seen myself for my hope.
*[[2Co 11:3]] KJV* But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
*[[2Co 11:14]] KJV* And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. *[[2Co 11:15]] KJV* Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Where are the Guardians of the galaxy or the Avengers when, you need them? Sorry maybe I watch too many movies too. I'll just stick to believing in God.

[Steve]

The Rennes-le-Chateau mystery

The Merovingians returned to public attention more recently in a number of books seeking to solve the mystery of the tiny mountain top hamlet in the Languedoc in southern France called Rennes-le-Chateau. This was once one of the most important centres for the Priory of Sion, the Templars, the Cathars and many others in the ‘knowledge’ stream.

The area was once peopled by the Celts, the former Cimmerians and Scythians, from the Near East and the Caucasus Mountains, and Rennes-le-Chateau was called Rhedae after one of their tribes. It was worshipped as a sacred place by the Druids because again this is a region of immense magnetic power.

In the late 1960s a document of uncertain background called the Red Serpent or Le Serpent Rouge came to light in the National Library in Paris. It contained the genealogy of the Merovingians, two maps of France in the Merovingian period, and a ground plan of St Sulpice, the Roman Catholic centre for occult studies in Paris.

St Sulpice was built on the ruins of a temple to Isis/Semiramis and was a burial ground for Merovingian kings. Le Serpent Rouge was dated January 17th 1967, and the deposit slip at the National Library was dated February 15th. The latter turned out to be a forgery, however, and the real date it was deposited was March 20th. By this time all the alleged authors of the work, Pierre Feugere, Louis Saint-Maxent and Gaston de Koker, had died within 24 hours of each other on March 6–7.

But it gets even stranger because these three, it emerges, were not the authors at all. Someone, it is thought, had used the names of these three dead men as the authors to add more mystery to the tale. There were 13 days between the three deaths and the deposit of the document at the library. The 13 page document included short prose poems corresponding to each sign of the zodiac and it listed 13 signs.

It called the extra one, Ophiuchus (the Serpent Holder), which it placed between Scorpio and Sagittarius. The most important number to the Templars was 13, and there may have originally been13 signs to the zodiac. The text of Le Serpent Rouge, which appears to mention the landscape around Rennes-le-Chateau, presents a version of the Sleeping Beauty story in which the princess (female energy) is condemned to sleep until the handsome prince arrives to awaken her. This is also highly relevant to the number 13.

Le Serpent Rouge confirmed that Mary Magdalene was another symbol for Isis. It said:

“…Formerly some called her ISIS, queen of the beneficent sources, come to me all you sufferand who are overwhelmed and I will comfort you, others: Magdalene, of the famous vase full of healing balm. The initiates know her true name: Notre Dame Des Cross.”

The female energy and the reptilian bloodline are passed on through the female, and since the intervention of Ninkharsag and Enki this energy was symbolised by Mary, Isis and Semiramis, and was also known as Diana. Princess Diana was killed on an ancient Merovingian sacrificial site to the goddess Diana when her car struck the 13th pillar.

A cave at Sainte-Baume in southern France is an official Catholic shrine because, it is said quite wrongly, Mary Magdalene lived there. In fact, during Roman times that cave was a centre for the worship of the goddess Diana Lucifera - Diana the light bringer or Illuminatrix. This was the very name given to Mary Magdalene by Jacobus de Voragine, the Dominican Archbishop of Black Nobility.

One other interesting point is that while Templars throughout France were arrested and tortured after the purge by Phillipe the Fair in 1307, the ones in the Rennes-le-Chateau area at Le Bezu, le Valdieu and Blanchefort, were left alone. This area was quite obviously very important to the Templars and they were connected with the Blanchefort family at Chateau de Blanchefort, just two miles from Rennes-le-Chateau.

Some researchers believe that the Templars buried much of their gold near Rennes-le-Chateau. Certainly a third of all their European property was once to be found in the Languedoc region. The Romans, too, thought this area to be sacred and worshipped their Pagan gods here. By the 6th century, Rennes-le-Chateau was a thriving town of 30,000 people, the northern capital of the Visigoth empire which spread south across the Pyrenees into Spain.

The Visigoths were a Germanic or Teutonic people, the same as the later Teutonic Knights who emerged at the same time as the Templars. The Visigoths were again the descendents of the Cimmerians and the Scythians, the white peoples from the Caucasus. It was the Visigoths who swept out of central Europe to sack Rome and bring an end to Roman rule.

An ancient Visigoth chateau, the Chateau d’Hautpoul, still survives at Rennes-le-Chateau and it has an alchemist’s tower. Alchemy is the transformation of base man/woman into pure spirit, but it has another meaning too, the transformation of base metals into gold. The theory of this was summed up by the ancient Greek initiate, Aristotle, who taught Alexander the Great.

Aristotle was one of the world’s most famous philosophers. He was taught by Plato, who in turn was taught by Socrates. Aristotle said that the basis of the physical world was what he called prime or first matter. This, he said, was a non-physical energy which you could not see or touch. He believed that prime matter could manifest as physical form through the four elements of Earth, Fire, Water and Air. These elements are different from each other, but each is connected by a common bond of dryness, moisture, heat or cold. Every element has two of these qualities, one of which dominates.

Earth is cold and dry and dryness predominates. Fire is hot and dry and heat predominates. Water is moist and cold and cold predominates. Air is hot and moist and moistness predominates. The idea is that one element can be transformed into another through the bond they have in common, so Fire becomes air through the common bond of heat. Substances are made from the elements and if you can transform the elements into each other, you must be able to transform the substances the elements are made from.

For instance, lead can be changed into gold. There is, it is believed, a secret powder which is necessary for this transformation and it has become known as the Philosopher’s Stone. The d’Hautpoul family are said to have been holders of such secrets. The document, Le Serpent Rouge, when speaking of the 13th sign of the zodiac, Ophiuchus, says: “the base lead of my words may contain the purest gold”. This could well relate to the properties of the mono-atomic gold.....

[Steve]

..... For five hundred years, Rennes-le-Chateau was owned by the Count of Razes and became an important centre for the Cathars. With their demise its power waned. A plague and Catalan bandits completed its fall from a major town to the tiny hamlet it was to become. Today it is a place of great beauty and mystery with views across the mountains and valleys. However, due to its dark history, a very unpleasant feel in the energy lies there - a feeling of underlying ‘evil’.

Additionally, the fantastic geometrical patterns in this area connecting mountains, sacred sites and churches, have been identified in modern times by people like Henry Lincoln, a pioneer researcher of the Rennes-le-Chateau mysteries, and David Wood and Ian Campbell in their books Genisis and Geneset.

The goddess Isis is mentioned in old records of Rennes-les-Bains, a short distance from Rennes-le-Chateau, and in the last century a statue of Isis was found near the village. Wood and Campbell suggest that Rennes-le-Chateau and Rennes-le-Bains translate as Queen of the House and Queen of the Waters, the names given by the ancient Egyptians to their goddesses Nephthys and Isis. The area around Rennes-le-Chateau is one of enormous power and importance within the Earth’s energy grid and therefore became a focus from ancient times for those who understood this and knew how to harness the energy.

The modern world awoke to the story of Rennes-le-Chateau with Henry Lincoln’s BBC television films and the book, Holy Blood, Holy Grail , written by Lincoln with Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh. It was inspired by the story of Berenger Sauniere, who, in 1885, became priest at the church of St Mary Magdalene at Rennes-le-Chateau. Sauniere was born at nearby Montazels.

The church was in a terrible state and, the story goes, in 1887 he and two workmen began the immense task of repairing the worst of the damage to the interior. They lifted a flagstone near the altar and saw an engraving on the underside depicting two men on one horse. This symbol was the first seal of the Knights Templar. The flagstone became known as the Knights Stone and can be seen in the village museum.

When Sauniere realised there might be something of importance to find, he continued the search alone. The breakthrough came when he dismantled the altar and inside one of the pillars he found hollow wooden tubes, sealed with wax. Inside those he discovered parchments which, he later established, were written in code. After consulting his church superiors in Carcassonne, he travelled to Paris and the Roman Catholic occult research centre called St Sulpice which is positioned on the Paris time meridian on a site of ‘former’ Isis/Semiramis worship. Here they employed experts in medieval texts, writings and codes.

Research so far has suggested that Sauniere’s parchments contained a genealogy dated 1244 (the year the Cathars were slaughtered at Montsegur) which confirmed the survival of the Merovingian bloodline; another Merovingian genealogy from 1244 to 1644; and two compiled in the 1780s apparently by Abbe Antoine Bigou, a previous priest at Rennes-le-Chateau, and personal chaplain to the Blanchefort family. That is probably not all that Sauniere found. Anything that really mattered would never have been made public and it is quite possible that Sauniere did not find his parchments in the church at all. Maybe it’s a cover story to obscure the real tale.

The Priory of Sion ‘leaked’ copies of the two Bigou parchments in 1967, or at least in the 1960s. The Priory of Sion is believed to have originated in Troyes, France, the city founded by the Sicabrian Franks (Merovingians) where the Templars were officially formed. The Priory of Sion arrived on the scene about the same time as the Templars, the Knights of Malta and the Teutonic Knights, and it had a particularly close association with the Templars. But some researchers believe the true origins of the Priory of Sion go much further back.

Its Grand Masters are called Nautonnier or Navigators and the ones between 1188 and 1918 were listed (or claimed to be) in documents known as the Dossiers Secrets, which were privately published texts deposited at the National Library in Paris. Among them were Marie and Jean de Saint-Clair; Leonardo da Vinci; Sandro Botticelli, another Italian artist and friend of da Vinci; Nicolas Flamel, the famous medieval alchemist; Robert Fludd, the philosopher; Isaac Newton, who ‘discovered’ the law of gravity and was a major player in the creation of the this-world-is-all-there-is version of ‘science’; Robert Boyle, a close friend of Newton and another founder of modern ‘science’; and Jean Cocteau, the French writer and artist Two others in office during the lifetime of Sauniere, were the French writer and poet Victor Hugo, and his friend the composer Claude Debussy, a Grand Master of the Rosicrucian Order (all Ramses-Piso-Bush. One of Debussy’s most famous operas was a Merovingian drama.

A recent Grand Master appears to be Pierre Plantard de Saint-Clair who, according to documents revealed in Holy Blood, Holy Grail , is a descendant of Dagobert II (Ramses-Piso-Bush) and the Merovingian dynasty. Dagobert was the Merovingian heir who was sent into exile in Ireland as a child. He returned to take his crown, but was later murdered. His son is supposed to have survived. There is no way the Merovingian bloodline died out as it  had countless strands.

Did Pierre Plantard mislead the authors of Holy Blood, Holy Grail? Quite possibly, and also the idea that the Merovingian bloodlines are the bloodline of Jesus is without foundation. This is nothing to do with Jesus. The reason you find so many references to Arcadia in relation to Rennes-le-Chateau is because Arcadia in Sparta was the legendary home of Zeus and the Titans - the reptilian bloodlines of Troy. That is the origin of these bloodlines, not Jesus, who did not even exist.

Pierre Plantard (Ramses-Piso-Bush), who knows the truth, but doesn’t want you to know, was born in 1920 and, with the approval of the German oppressors, he edited a magazine in Nazi-occupied France in 1942 called Conquest For A Young Knighthood. It was the journal of a Paris based Masonic-chivalric society called the Order Alpha-Galates, and Plantard became its Grand Master at the age of 22. This is certainly not a man who’s word is his bond.

At St Sulpice in Paris, the village priest Abbe Berenger Sauniere met with Abbe Bieil, the Director General of the Seminary, and the latter’s nephew, Emile Hoffet. Through Hoffet he was warmly welcomed into a circle of esoteric friends, including the famous opera singer, Emma Calve, and Claude Debussy, the Grand Master of the Priory of Sion as well as the Rosicrucians. Sauniere and Calve began a close relationship and she visited him at Rennes-le-Chateau. Calve was at the heart of the occult movements in France and one of her intimates was the Marquis Stanislas de Gualta, a founder of the modern version of the Order of the Rose-Croix, the Rosicrucians.

Most of the Grand Masters of the Priory of Sion have Rosicrucian connections. Another of Calve’s friends was Jules Bois, a notorious Satanist, and close associate of a fellow Satanist, MacGregor Mathers. Encouraged by Bois, Mathers established the British occult society, the Order of the Golden Dawn, of which the Satanist, Aleister Crowley, was a most prominent member.

The Order of the Golden Dawn and its offshoots and personnel, like Crowley, were involved with both the Nazis and the British Satanist, Druid, and wartime Prime Minister, Sir Winston Churchill. The pointed-arm ‘heil Hitler’ salute was in fact a ritual sign of the Order of the Golden Dawn.

Another famous member of the Golden Dawn was the poet, W. B. Yeats, a friend of Claude Debussy. Yeats quite brilliantly summed up the aims of the Babylonian Brotherhood when he described his ideal society: “…an aristocratic civilisation in its most completed form, every detail of his life hierachical, every great man’s door crowded at dawn with petitioners, great wealth everywhere in few men’s hands, all dependent upon a few, up to the Emperor himself, who is a God dependent upon a greater God and everywhere, in Court, in the family, an inequality made law.”

[The Apprentice]

I get it Apprentice you believe there is no God, only nature.

The original question in this thread is whether lizard, shape shifters influence our society? Is nature going to save us, when they come in their space ships like the TV series V, and hang us all on meat hooks? Do we all join hands and use the force against them? Do we hope that there are good ones amongst them Steve, that can assist us with an armed insurrection  on independence day.

Perhaps the volcano god will help us to win.

I am sorry I am not convinced with the you tube evidence presented that humans have a hope. I have to believe in the powerful experiences, (not religious ones) I have seen myself for my hope.

*[[2Co 11:3]] KJV* But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

*[[2Co 11:14]] KJV* And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. *[[2Co 11:15]] KJV* Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Where are the Guardians of the galaxy or the Avengers when, you need them? Sorry maybe I watch too many movies too. I'll just stick to believing in God.

I don't think you get it at all Greg, just because I don't believe there is a god or as some call a creator, it does not mean there is not one or has ever been one, it is the age old problem called "The Mystery".

I do not need to believe in nature Greg because, (I am), in it, unless the vision we all see in the moment is only an illusion as Icke and many others are calling it, I say their version is yet another religion in itself, and all religions which we have follwed precisely to there end, like religious/cultish roads themselves have led absolutely nowhere, and never will, but are designed to keep those so confused locked within what are man made ideologies, wanting and believing, or basically "Wondering" lost in space and time, here the possibilities are endless like space itself.

So let the imagination run out of control for a while and lets take things a little further,

What if our creators are these so called lizards themselves, then what, if we are all part of a lizard experiment of a Genesis petri dish type experiment, that then makes us all part lizard doesn't it.

You can see just how riduculous this type of non evidential synopsis or lack of one is, can't you?

Nature has no books, no churches, no money, and only natural law to live by and has done a Stirling job thus far other than where human intervention has destroyed it much faster than nature does naturally, if anything we are the consuming lizards ourselves, the Latet Anguis in Herba, living inside someone elses Garden.

Like I said before, my book is both open and closed to what I know and what I don't know, and what we do not know will never be evidential from man made books of a spurious kind.

I think, not believe, we have all been looking for the missing piece of the jigsaw but cannot see it right in front of our noses, when we do find it we had better be dam sure it is the right piece and not another myth or religion, because this is what happens when we get it oh so wrong, and let the most practiced magicians tell us otherwise.