[Nankita]

Actually, I remember clearly, [age showing up here] that the UK should not have joined in the first place 40 + years ago - bad move. The separate misty isle off the coast of Mainland Europe has mainly stood alone for close on 1,000 years [from 1066 onwards, when the nation became one - one people. No French invasion; no Spanish invasion and the twice withstanding a German invasion. I do not say this against those countries - purely a statement of fact. Over the last 100 years Britain has twice been the 'launching' pad to free Mainland Europe from oppression. Trying to fit into a united Europe as one identity has never been comfortable to the Brits. I feel a scripture coming on - Numbers 23:9 "For from the top of the rocks I see him, and from the hills I behold him: lo, the people shall dwell alone, and shall not be reckoned among the nations." On the positive side, if Britain had not joined back there in the 70's, they would have constantly had pressure to join and wondered what they were missing. Now Britain knows that going it alone, while still being one of the strongest voices for freedom and justice in all nations, is the right choice. Britannia knows, along with her loyalty to the rest of the British Commonwealth (a wee bit neglected over 43 years!) is the correct course and all the outside (or for that matter, inside)  doom and gloom statements will not prevail. Brexit will happen. Be patient. Britain often takes her time. Captain Cook landed in Botany Bay in 1770; Britain then took 18 years before the first settlers arrived on the 24th of January 1788. The French arrived the same day, but bad weather prevented them landing! Two days later - Australia Day - 26th of January - Governor Arthur Phillip raised the British Flag in Sydney Cove - right on time!

[J1xx3r]

i doubt we will leave, they will fabricate some event (probably a financial crash and possibly this year) for the new government so they can blame it on leaving the EU and how things are so different now we need another referendum (i doubt we will get that tbh) it will just be enforced, the next phase of this new world order they keep preaching.

[Billy beermonkey]

There is one thing that every msm commentator does not mention. We, the people, vote in a General Election. We do not choose the Prime Minister. The only people who have any say in who gets the role of PM are those who have paid for that privilege by joining a political party. The PM decides what will happen once they take that role, and only have to be approved by their political party, not by the electorate. They can buy friends, do favours, whatever they like, to stay in power.

Now also take note what happens after an election. The people believe that they are choosing a government that represents their interests, but look at what happens? Almost 100% of legislation is designed around corporate UK, not the people. Corporate UK does not get a single vote in the election, and yet all governments make policy decisions that benefit them, and this often means taking away rights and benefits from the electorate. How many political parties that opposed legislation whilst in the opposition, reversed that legislation once in power?

This is all becoming apparent during the Brexit process, no one is talking about how this will, or will not, benefit the people who voted in the referendum. All negotiations are revolving around what will, or will not benefit Corporate UK, who again, had no vote.

The EU meanwhile has gone from, Stay In, to You Have Made The Wrong Decision, to You Can Reverse The Vote If You Want To. All of which totally ignores democracy.

They then moved on to Let's Make Things Complicated, and then to Public Threats, and then to Secret Threats.

If this is what is in the public domain, you don't need more than two brain cells to figure out that like icebergs, there is a lot more beneath the waves.

Watch the diversions being put in place. Internet freedom, Equality, Abuse etc, all of the Twitter campaigns that can be created using tech tools and supported by artificial contributors.

As to whether the referendum was rigged? Think back. Even the night before the result, all of the media were predicting a Remain win. Even Farage conceded defeat. How could 100% of all media and politicians. and all of the polls, predict an incorrect result? Is the simple truth that the Remain vote was rigged, but that those doing the rigging completely underestimated the size of the Leave vote. Was the Leave vote actually huge, and that this is the reason why there will never be another vote? The only other options left are:

1. Do what Brussels tells us to, comply with their demands, but never reveal the power structure to the UK electorate.
2. Manipulate another election, allow Labour to win (they tried desperately to do this at the last election and failed). Allow Labour to reverse Brexit, and agree to the demands of Brussels, then manipulate another election that will allow the Conservatives to take the throne again free of all responsibility for what has happened.

I've always believed that to be the case as well, i think i've met only 2 or 3 people who voted remain, and they were youngsters who still believe the msm.

[Splodge]

I work in the financial world, and on the day of the Brexit vote I was at a seminar in the Midlands, being run by a London based investment house. The investment managers were covering all sorts of topics, but when asked about the effect of Brexit on the financial markets, they said it was not worth talking about as the vote will be remain. They said bookmakers and polls were showing 65-75% remain, so it was not worth wasting time on an exit senario! In fact they looked a little confused and bewildered that the question was even asked.

[Steve]

I work in the financial world,  and on the day of the Brexit vote I was at a seminar in the Midlands,  being run by a London based investment house. The investment managers were covering all sorts of topics,  but when asked about the effect of Brexit on the financial markets, they said it was not worth talking about as the vote will be remain. They said bookmakers and polls were showing 65-75% remain,  so it was not worth wasting time on an exit senario! In fact they looked a little confused and bewildered that the question was even asked.

Hi Nigel, Have you heard of http://positivemoney.org/ ?
They appear have some really good ideas. They explain about how the money system currently works (it’s broken) and put forward models/suggestions as to how it could be reformed so that it is there to benefit the many, and not the few, which is the situation we have right now.

[Splodge]

I work in the financial world,  and on the day of the Brexit vote I was at a seminar in the Midlands,  being run by a London based investment house. The investment managers were covering all sorts of topics,  but when asked about the effect of Brexit on the financial markets, they said it was not worth talking about as the vote will be remain. They said bookmakers and polls were showing 65-75% remain,  so it was not worth wasting time on an exit senario! In fact they looked a little confused and bewildered that the question was even asked.

Hi Nigel, Have you heard of http://positivemoney.org/ ?
They appear have some really good ideas. They explain about how the money system currently works (it’s broken) and put forward models/suggestions as to how it could be reformed so that it is there to benefit the many, and not the few, which is the situation we have right now.

The monetary system creates fear in whatever format it takes. This fear is our prison. By replacing one system with another is simply redecorating our prison cell.

[EvadingGrid]

bbc.co.uk
http://www.bbc.co.uk/

Jeremy Corbyn backs permanent customs union after Brexit
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43189878


'Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has backed the UK being in a permanent customs union with the EU in a speech setting out his approach to Brexit.

He said this would avoid the need for a "hard border" in Northern Ireland and ensure free-flowing trade for business.

The policy shift could lead to Labour siding with Tory rebels to defeat Theresa May on her Brexit strategy.

The Conservatives accused Labour of making false promises about there being a "simple solution to Brexit".  The prime minister has insisted the UK will leave both the single market and the customs union, allowing it to negotiate its own post-Brexit trade deals.

Mr Corbyn said Labour backed customs union membership during a planned two-year transition period after the UK leaves the EU in March 2019.

But in a shift from the party's policy at last year's general election, he said the UK should strike a new customs deal with the EU at the end of transition.

"Labour would seek a final deal that gives full access to European markets and maintains the benefits of the single market and the customs union... with no new impediments to trade and no reduction in rights, standards and protections," he said.'

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[JTTHEGAME]

I agree it is not going to happen the powers that ought not be won't allow it. More people would have to be awake to what is happening to really force there hand and make it happen. I wish it would happen. Decentralization is what the world needs

[Steve]

I work in the financial world,  and on the day of the Brexit vote I was at a seminar in the Midlands,  being run by a London based investment house. The investment managers were covering all sorts of topics,  but when asked about the effect of Brexit on the financial markets, they said it was not worth talking about as the vote will be remain. They said bookmakers and polls were showing 65-75% remain,  so it was not worth wasting time on an exit senario! In fact they looked a little confused and bewildered that the question was even asked.

Hi Nigel, Have you heard of http://positivemoney.org/ ?
They appear have some really good ideas. They explain about how the money system currently works (it’s broken) and put forward models/suggestions as to how it could be reformed so that it is there to benefit the many, and not the few, which is the situation we have right now.

The monetary system creates fear in whatever format it takes. This fear is our prison. By replacing one system with another is simply redecorating our prison cell.

A fundamental change is needed to reverse the control and influence of the central banking system - we need to move away from their financial systems and make fractional reserve lending (legal theft) a thing of the past. Banks are currently lending money out of thin air. If you or I did that, it would be seen as fraud. 

It’s worth looking on the positive money website as it’s full of innovative and fair ideas, making money work for us and not the banks.

[EvadingGrid]

Fraction Reserve Banking is in itself not the problem, its that the interest goes to Private Banks and that it is Covert.

For example, if the interest collected was used to fund the NHS, would that be a bad thing - obviously not. If the people where aware of the money creation mechanism, then an honest debate would be possible. The money creation should be under public control, under elected officials, which would mean that they could be held accountable. As the system stands, Private Banks are not held accountable.

It is sad that much of the information put out on this topic is delivered by the Truther Industrial Complex to sell False Solutions.

The internet is crawling with False Solutions, such as a return to the Gold Standard, the very mechanism that enabled the most evil banking families to come to power. . .  yet it is peddled as a Solution.