[The Apprentice]

A lot of reading above there !
 it's  known that stuff has been sprayed on unsuspecting citizens many times in the past . certain parts of uk are  medicated without consent in the form of fluoride in the water as well . Also I'm aware of the many attempts at weather control over the years and  I have no doubt there could be stuff going on we know nothing about as well as what we suspect . However applying something from 30000 ft or more , you'd have no control of where it landed . It could be carried for 100s of miles on the wind .

If you look at www.windy.com you can get the relevant data for altitudes ( which is different to height) up to about 40000ft + . It can be well above freezing at ground level and 50-60 degrees below at 30 000ft or above the dew point and moisture content come into it as well . there can be barely any surface wind and winds of 70mph+ up there These conditions can differ throughout the day area of sky and altitude . when the trails in that photo were left you can bet that the readings for the above data would explain it were the reason and they had changed when the trails stopped .some days the planes leave no trails whatsoever so the volume of traffic is not noticed .

I remain open minded but , I've noticed long lasting contrails over at least 40 years andwas interested in them as a child , there's just more of them now .

I have been watching the skies for about twelve years now and on many occasions seen aircraft flying at the same height, some leaving trails and some not, does this indicate foul play, I don't know but its possible I suppose.

During the second world war there was talk of devloping a airborne weapon the decimate the ememies farm land and cattle, this sounds like foot and mouth to me, but bet your bottom dollat that TPTB have it all at their dosposal.

But by fat the most trails I have seen are in a morning and at eventing especialls spring and summer, just as the sun is rising and setting, I think the corporate mind will try everything they cn to make more money, if they can cool down the day to make people burn more fuel to keep warm they are going to use it for their benefit.

I do know something which might be nothing and that is a freind I know has a son who flies the long haul jets, they say when the planes are being fuelled at the same time they are filling it they are also taking fuel back out on the other side, to flush the tanks ?? not sure but it is odd to fill it then empty it as well, the pilot said this to his parents and they told me.

[RiK]

I know of all the examples of weather modification Steve Has written of and am in do doubt that all this has been going on for a long time . I'd suspect though, that it was all carried out from dedicated aircraft equipped accordingly and at a speciffic altitude , not civilian air liners .

THe conditions in the atmosphere are maybe more favourable to holding moisture early or late in the day . It's hard to tell visually if planes are at the same altitude , they can be 2 or 3 thousand ft different or more and look the same . Unless you look at one of the real time flight tracking sites or are tuned in to the ATC frequency with an airband radio which gives this information . Also it's hard to tell if it's climbing or decending . I often see the planes ascending to approach cruising height above here and you see them start to contrail as the atmosphere changes occasionally it will falter before becoming more persistent .

I'm looking at the sky now and the planes are leaving no trails at all hardly at 33,000ft . ground level temperature is +4C .. wind SSW 7mph .. dew point 2C and 88% moisture content
At 34000ft it is - 49C ...wind is West @ 67mph ! dew point -71C and the moisture content is 5% . On days the contrails linger the temp reaches the dew point and the moisture content is often up over 90% .

I think if the more mundane explanations for something doesn't make sense then you can look for other options .Most ( but not all) UFO sightings and ghosts etc , can be explained . it's better to concentrate on cases most people agree can't be explained reasonably to avoid distraction .

[The Apprentice]

I know of all the examples of weather modification  Steve Has written of and am in do doubt that all this has been going on for a long time . I'd suspect though,  that it was all carried out from dedicated aircraft equipped accordingly and at a speciffic altitude , not civilian air liners .

THe conditions in the atmosphere are maybe more favourable to holding moisture early or late in the day . It's hard to tell visually if planes are at the same altitude , they can be 2 or 3 thousand ft different or more and look the same . Unless you look at one of the real time flight tracking sites or are tuned in to the ATC frequency with an airband radio which gives this information . Also it's hard to tell if it's climbing or decending . I often see the planes ascending to approach cruising height above here and you see them start to contrail as the atmosphere changes occasionally it will falter before becoming more persistent .

I'm looking at the sky now and the planes are leaving no trails at all hardly at 33,000ft . ground level  temperature is +4C .. wind SSW 7mph .. dew point 2C and 88% moisture content
At 34000ft it is - 49C ...wind is West @ 67mph ! dew point -71C and the moisture content is 5% . On days the contrails linger the temp reaches the dew point and the moisture content is often up over 90% .

I think if the more mundane explanations for something doesn't make sense then you can look for other options .Most ( but not all) UFO sightings and ghosts etc , can be explained . it's better to concentrate on cases  most people agree can't be explained reasonably to avoid distraction .

What I think they are doing is trying to raise the temp overall, using water vapour, or precipitation.

In the summer time the trails take a tad longer to come together where as winter they can merge is only a few minutes.

If it is unmarked military aircraft they could still be doing it using the turbofan type engines with the outer jacket, this will enable them to carry fuel instead of equipment, meaning nothing to see, no pictures by insiders, so much easier to hide what they are doing on the ground.

[timetraveler]

Taken at 7.39 am today in Rotherham, UK, the sky was full of these.

[The Apprentice]

Taken at 7.39 am today in Rotherham, UK, the sky was full of these.

And right in front of the sun as usual.

The following photo was taken only moments ago 11.00am, these are pretty low and completely fills the camera, they seem to be getting lower and lower, there are also many others being laid down as I took this picture but I could not get them all in bar fitting an extra wide lens, these trails are not the normal flight path for the corriddoor. Notice where the sun is, here we are looking exactly South sun at almost mid way in the day, and as time goes on the trails will follow the sun around until evening.

[RiK]

On Friday Morning The moisture content in the air at some levels was about 98% the dew point and air temperature would also be relevant to the sky looking like that .
The conditions at higher levels were drier , The ones at higher altitude were leaving shorter vapour trails as I noticed myself .

What do you class as low ? Those trails are likely to have been above 26,000ft or more likely 30,000+ ?
The image is from 7.30am on the 9th taken from https://planefinder.net/   using the playback function on that site . the altitude information etc is labeled on each plane you can use the same thing to view your own area at 11am Commercial  aircraft are often given a direct routing or short cut between waypoints taking them off the standard flight path .
I don't understand how the vapour trails follow the sun which always travels West across the sky . They will surely be at the mercy of the wind direction which can often be 100mph at some of the altitudes planes fly ?

[The Apprentice]

On Friday Morning The moisture content in the air at some levels was about 98% the dew point and air temperature would also be relevant to the sky looking like that .
The conditions at higher levels were drier , The ones at higher altitude were leaving shorter vapour trails as I noticed myself .

What do you class as low ? Those trails are likely to have been above 26,000ft or more likely 30,000+ ?
This  7.30am on the 9th taken from https://planefinder.net/   using the playback function on that site . the altitude information etc is labeled on each plane you can use the same thing to view your own area at 11am Commercial  aircraft are often given a direct routing or short cut between waypoints taking them off the standard flight path .

I can tell which aircraft are international or internal by being able to make out the colours and basic shapes of the planes, the internal routes are easy to make out, and the others you need a scope, the large cross seen in my picture I could see the planes more easily, the trails left on the main North South flight paths are West of us and much much higher and cannot be seen even with a scope.

The plane finder is only s good as those it does show.

Thus of no real help in this case.

[RiK]

Airlines fly internal and international flights with the same aircraft types on many occasions eg boeing 757 it's usually only the 4 engine ones which are obvious and they use the same company decals for all . Also when international flights join UK airspace they will join the same air ways the internal ones especially north/south .They will climb and join the same corridors for the cruise height until they descend into the lower TMA of the destination air port .
Best way to use plane finder and radar24 is to look at the plane overhead then see what it is on your computer . I find there are very, very few not shown apart from the occasional C17 etc which you can identify easy enough with binoculars .
Do you have a theory as to how the contrails follow the sun in the sky ?

[The Apprentice]

Airlines fly  internal and international flights with the same aircraft types on many occasions eg  boeing 757 it's usually only the 4 engine ones which are obvious and they use the same company decals for all  . Also when international flights join UK airspace they will join the same air ways the internal ones especially north/south .They will climb and join the same corridors for the cruise height until they descend into the lower TMA of the destination air port .
Best way to use plane finder and radar24 is to look at the plane overhead then see what it is on your computer . I find there are very, very few not shown apart from the occasional C17 etc which you can identify easy enough with binoculars .
Do you have a theory as to how the contrails follow the sun in the sky ?

To be honest it was'nt me but the other half who noticed this, she knows nothing about things really but when I mentioned it to her she simply came out with a genuine observation, but she seems to be right.



Where we live is nigh on mid point in England, top to bottom and side to side, so when we observe from here we are doing so with the sun always in perfect balance to the compass, we are mere yards away from Culloden tower.

Here is something very interesting that I did research on 30 years ago after seeing this for the first time, the tower Culloden is sitting immediately upon an old masonic line, to the South of the tower are two other objects upon that line, one is an old English Larch tree that was painted by Master Mason and landscape artist  William Turner when he was a young man and visiting this area, another is an ancient crown carved upon a natural rock formation in the ancient woodland, and North of the tower is a dwelling, temple Lodge built by one of the illuminati families Called Asaiah Yorke which is also immediately upon the same masonic line and perfectly orientated to the compass.

A minutes walk from this same dwelling is also a recorded solar plaque upon a house wall, this is how exact we are positioned for observation of the sun during its line upon the ecliptic.



In the morning/East the trails are always covering the sun as it rises and follow it right around the ecliptic in perfect symmetry, and this is also taking into acount which ever way the wind is travelling at any given moment, and as sun set the trails are always the thickest/West, I have photographed all day long when we are busy in the allotment, and its always the same, the sun being blocked.

I am in the proceeds of getting a very powerful scope, tripod mounted so I can fiit it to my camera and take really long distant clear pictures, so I will be able to make a propper log of when I see the thickest formations in relation to the sun, etc, etc.

If you use a pair of binoculars which have a grid pattern etched into or positioned on the viewing lenses you can tell by the size of the object seen in relation to its height, so I will fit one of these also, this is how my microscopes work also for sizing, there is a formula somewhere which I will hunt down.

But there is definately a pattern to all of this I'm sure of it.



Here is a shot from last year, taken looking exactly West towards the end of summer near to the Autumnal Equinox, as you can see the trils are at their thickest across the sun, on the East there is pure clear skies so it is a definate pattern, which I will photograph this summer for the record.
I have other pictures where the trail is miles wide, surely this cannot be produced by a single set of engines on a red hot day mid summer.

[RiK]

Do you think that the always changing & vastly different temperatures and conditions up there compared to ground level could play any part in the way vapour trails behave at all ? It does influence the way clouds form and appear .