[The Apprentice]

What we might see is the main players getting together to try and smooth out this issue of so called back biting and or opinions of who is or maybe has been got at by inner agents within each camp.

What I would like to see is a union of the best advocates coming together for a common cause, because remaining too independant creates a stagnation/stigma where the alternative media becomes just like the ones they are trying to expose, this is how they become like a stuck record all reporting the same thing without any uniqueness and any new ideas are then pushed back.

The same attributes were seen in Plato's time as well, its all been done before, there ain't nothing new under the same sun as yesteryear.

The are some good writers and researchers who are bringing new conjecture to the front line who are part of their own forums but they never get a look in, this is very wasteful in my eyes, but things might have to change to make the alternative news worth watching and listening to, no single alternative has it all.

Great points from both Jeff and The Apprentice.
I mentioned in a previous post about the real alternative media sticking together for the greater cause, rather than fragmenting it into lots of small groups which ultimately has less impact. To slag off other  alternative journalists who may have put in endless hours of research, just because they don't agree with them is a little bit hypocritical when they keep harping on about free speech. Sometimes I think it is a bit of an ego thing.
You are correct when you say that David doesn't resort to that and I think that he understands the need for the alternative media to be united if we are to win this perception battle

The perception model only works if those viewing it are seeing only bad vibes, I sugest there needs to be more of a community based program where many other alternatives are creating things of inerest outside of the negative images of those who are suffering. Worrying about these traits are in themselves non creative, its when we get truly creative to when our gaze is turned into something fruitful and useful for the host/s, and yes you guessed it, making things using hands and eye perception is all healing.

I have frequented several forums now for many years some with many thousands of views but still nothing can distract them from what they are actually doing to themselves.

Occasional greatnees will always kill its host, this is why we must begin rebuilding the destruction that others are giving us as reality, with our own hands and cease destroying others with the same hands to eye coordination that is basically blind men walking with guns and video games.

If we instigate a mass non compliance, there must also be an alternative already in place, and talking alone is never going to cut the mustard, don't believe me, then lets see the latest headlines in a months time and what we have achieved for ourselves as individuals and or helped those in harms way, I can tell you the answer right now.

[awakened53]

It's sad to see that Richie feels the need to highlight this nonsense, Beeley and Bartlett are doing great work.  Richie has hinted before that he does not like UK Column or 21st Century Wire, he also rubbished Richard D hall, I don't know why, but one thing is for sure, 'the powers that be' want independent media/journalists to fight among themselves and it appears that they are winning. I have listened to Richie since the first show but recently I have noticed him spending far to much time slagging off other independent media and it is not helping the situation. I might be wrong but I don't think I have ever heard David Icke slagging off specific independent journalists and that is very wise. We all have to decide for ourselves wither we trust what is being said by whoever.

I have only been listening to Richie since December 2017
What is his reasoning for his dislike of UK Column, 21st Century Wire and Richard D Hall?
As for what I can gather there are many guests that they all interview regularly so they must be on the same hymn sheet for many of their views. Both Richie and Richard have regularly interviewed Barry Trower and Neil Sanders and Patrick Henningsen certainly used to have quite close ties with David Icke.
I wonder if something happened between them?
I know Richard D did a show where he discussed David Icke, but in the main he said he totally admired his work, he was just debating whether the CIA had used people to infiltrate and discredit his work but I have never heard him say anything about Richie.
I know that Richie believes In the Richard Gage theory of 9-11 and Richard D believes in the Judy Wood theory but again they are entitled to their views without being slagged off.
I find it very odd that there are good alternative media journalists, that are very good at what they do, and also good at getting people to listen to them and go and research subjects in greater detail, but feel the need to criticise each other.
Yes, expose the shills and frauds but a united set of journalists will get the message across to a much greater audience which is what we need right now as the MSM and ruling classes push towards end game

[The Apprentice]

awakened53

It's sad to see that Richie feels the need to highlight this nonsense, Beeley and Bartlett are doing great work.  Richie has hinted before that he does not like UK Column or 21st Century Wire, he also rubbished Richard D hall, I don't know why, but one thing is for sure, 'the powers that be' want independent media/journalists to fight among themselves and it appears that they are winning. I have listened to Richie since the first show but recently I have noticed him spending far to much time slagging off other independent media and it is not helping the situation. I might be wrong but I don't think I have ever heard David Icke slagging off specific independent journalists and that is very wise. We all have to decide for ourselves wither we trust what is being said by whoever.

I have only been listening to Richie since December 2017
What is his reasoning for his dislike of UK Column, 21st Century Wire and Richard D Hall?
As for what I can gather there are many guests that they all interview regularly so they must be on the same hymn sheet for many of their views. Both Richie and Richard have regularly interviewed Barry Trower and Neil Sanders and Patrick Henningsen certainly used to have quite close ties with David Icke.
I wonder if something happened between them?
I know Richard D did a show where he discussed David Icke, but in the main he said he totally admired his work, he was just debating whether the CIA had used people to infiltrate and discredit his work but I have never heard him say anything about Richie.
I know that Richie believes In the Richard Gage theory of 9-11 and Richard D believes in the Judy Wood theory but again they are entitled to their views without being slagged off.
I find it very odd that there are good alternative media journalists, that are very good at what they do, and also good at getting people to listen to them and go and research subjects in greater detail, but feel the need to criticise each other.
Yes, expose the shills and frauds but a united set of journalists will get the message across to a much greater audience which is what we need right now as the MSM and ruling classes push towards end game

If we are to believe in any theory there must be viable evidence, this is like maths, its either right or wrong, believing in a theory is like trying to make heads and tails of the bible which is also unsubstansiated.

My gripe with the logical minds, is why not make the information free on the internet for everyone to scrutinize, a free world will eventually be one where information is also free, my motto is help those who truly want to help themselves, not being able to do so really shows ones own insecurities, and creates no alternatives, never has.

I like to give my knowledge away for free because I can, this is the most valuable attribute for humanity, yes I could make patents for some of the things I have designed and made, but this will only stagnate humanity as it is designed to do, which is in itself patently ridiculous.

Thoughts should be free to empower, not make those who bring their thoughts forward powerful through monetary prowess, in my eyes money is one of evils main weapons, no matter who prints it.

Nature has always provided everything for every living creature, but they have to earn their conversion of that energy as true natures does, it never wastes an opportunity to thrive for free.

Humans are currently out of sync with true nature.

[freelotus]

There is also the possibility of certain alternative outlets being double agents.

Most definitely the case I think.
The way that the CIA has infiltrated the MSM, I think it is certain that they will have  most certainly infiltrated the Alternative Media, both to gather information and also to plant disinformation and then discredit it. I think that the big payers in the alternative media and popular websites would be the main targets for them. This war on information and perception is like a spy movie.

i think they go after the small as well, and some of the small ARE them.

there was some very nasty stuff going on amongst a subset of the (very nasty) people (in some cases) covering pizzagate, when at a certain point they turned on one person.

also, you had this (very obvious) disinfo 'ex' cia guy reaching out and volunteering to go on these little channels and be interviewed. either they (the little channel owners) were hopelessly naive, or they were in on it from the beginning.

at least one of them lost their channel during the recent yt purge, but unfortunately not all. and if you come across one of those channels - for example, in a search on some topic - they're still busy slagging off other people (not even limited to alt media figures, but to do with similar or the same topics).

when you see that level of shamelessness about lying and hypocrisy, you are dealing with narcissists & psychopaths - and govt agents fit that bill to a tee. so, they were corrupt from the start.

i just wonder about them putting out a mix of (possible, probable) info - along with disinfo.... what's the point or main angle to the psyop? (though very often there is no understandable point to evil, except to cause pain, negativity, and chaos.) is it to present some truth from such vile sources that it is dismissed, and then when it is inevitably confirmed, years later, they boost the tired line of 'tell us something we don't know, everyone's known this for years'? almost a usurpation of people's right to be outraged.

maybe one piece is to measure how much outrage there will be initially.

[The Apprentice]

There is also the possibility of certain alternative outlets being double agents.

Most definitely the case I think.
The way that the CIA has infiltrated the MSM, I think it is certain that they will have  most certainly infiltrated the Alternative Media, both to gather information and also to plant disinformation and then discredit it. I think that the big payers in the alternative media and popular websites would be the main targets for them. This war on information and perception is like a spy movie.

i think they go after the small as well, and some of the small ARE them.

there was some very nasty stuff going on amongst a subset of the (very nasty) people (in some cases) covering pizzagate, when at a certain point they turned on one person.

also, you had this (very obvious) disinfo 'ex' cia guy reaching out and volunteering to go on these little channels and be interviewed. either they (the little channel owners) were hopelessly naive, or they were in on it from the beginning.

at least one of them lost their channel during the recent yt purge, but unfortunately not all. and if you come across one of those channels - for example, in a search on some topic - they're still busy slagging off other people (not even limited to alt media figures, but to do with similar or the same topics).

when you see that level of shamelessness about lying and hypocrisy, you are dealing with narcissists & psychopaths - and govt agents fit that bill to a tee. so, they were corrupt from the start.

i just wonder about them putting out a mix of (possible, probable) info - along with disinfo.... what's the point or main angle to the psyop? (though very often there is no understandable point to evil, except to cause pain, negativity, and chaos.) is it to present some truth from such vile sources that it is dismissed, and then when it is inevitably confirmed, years later, they boost the tired line of 'tell us something we don't know, everyone's known this for years'? almost a usurpation of people's right to be outraged.

maybe one piece is to measure how much outrage there will be initially.

Many alternative speakers will have started off as honest agents for truth then as time move forward they realized they have been trapped and simply carry on as they are because they think they have so much to loose by telling the truth.
The problem comes when they have a cult following, it then becomes difficult to tell the truth and the longer they refuse to face their weaknesses the bigger the fall is going to be.
I suspect that over 65 percent of the truth movement has at least one such hidden moment lurking in the background, this is why its best to stick to the things you know best, that way you are less likely to be fooled by the rude amongst society, who's hands ceased working for them but their mind is working against the very cause they could be working towards.
One guy who I think fits this bill is (Ken O Keef), he has done some work in exposing the situation in Gaza but is now making a come back from his funds debackle, for this reason I'm out with this guy, he is now working his way towards another situation.

[freelotus]

excellent point. i'm sure that is a big factor with some of them.

the trend of patreon accounts being another.

(not familiar with that specific person though. only through richie's rants.)

[awakened53]

There is also the possibility of certain alternative outlets being double agents.

Most definitely the case I think.
The way that the CIA has infiltrated the MSM, I think it is certain that they will have  most certainly infiltrated the Alternative Media, both to gather information and also to plant disinformation and then discredit it. I think that the big payers in the alternative media and popular websites would be the main targets for them. This war on information and perception is like a spy movie.

i think they go after the small as well, and some of the small ARE them.

there was some very nasty stuff going on amongst a subset of the (very nasty) people (in some cases) covering pizzagate, when at a certain point they turned on one person.

also, you had this (very obvious) disinfo 'ex' cia guy reaching out and volunteering to go on these little channels and be interviewed. either they (the little channel owners) were hopelessly naive, or they were in on it from the beginning.

at least one of them lost their channel during the recent yt purge, but unfortunately not all. and if you come across one of those channels - for example, in a search on some topic - they're still busy slagging off other people (not even limited to alt media figures, but to do with similar or the same topics).

when you see that level of shamelessness about lying and hypocrisy, you are dealing with narcissists & psychopaths - and govt agents fit that bill to a tee. so, they were corrupt from the start.

i just wonder about them putting out a mix of (possible, probable) info - along with disinfo.... what's the point or main angle to the psyop? (though very often there is no understandable point to evil, except to cause pain, negativity, and chaos.) is it to present some truth from such vile sources that it is dismissed, and then when it is inevitably confirmed, years later, they boost the tired line of 'tell us something we don't know, everyone's known this for years'? almost a usurpation of people's right to be outraged.

maybe one piece is to measure how much outrage there will be initially.

Many alternative speakers will have started off as honest agents for truth then as time move forward they realized they have been trapped and simply carry on as they are because they think they have so much to loose by telling the truth.
The problem comes when they have a cult following, it then becomes difficult to tell the truth and the longer they refuse to face their weaknesses the bigger the fall is going to be.
I suspect that over 65 percent of the truth movement has at least one such hidden moment lurking in the background, this is why its best to stick to the things you know best, that way you are less likely to be fooled by the rude amongst society, who's hands ceased working for them but their mind is working against the very cause they could be working towards.
One guy who I think fits this bill is (Ken O Keef), he has done some work in exposing the situation in Gaza but is now making a come back from his funds debackle, for this reason I'm out with this guy, he is now working his way towards another situation.

So true. If you remember when Alex Jones first started Infowars he was exposing some excellent cover ups etc. He had good investigators working for him and he was not on anyone's side. He started going a certain way when he started to "hero worship" Ron Paul and then went firmly into the "Trump is God" camp.
Although he is a bit of a loudmouth for my liking, he was good in the early days of exposing Bilderburg and Bohemian Grove and because of his huge following, got the message out to many people. He was obviously infiltrated at some point but I cannot make my mind if he is a total fraud, or as you mentioned, that he made some bad mistakes and his ego won't allow him to admit it. And lets be honest, he does have a very big ego

[The Apprentice]

There is also the possibility of certain alternative outlets being double agents.

Most definitely the case I think.
The way that the CIA has infiltrated the MSM, I think it is certain that they will have  most certainly infiltrated the Alternative Media, both to gather information and also to plant disinformation and then discredit it. I think that the big payers in the alternative media and popular websites would be the main targets for them. This war on information and perception is like a spy movie.

i think they go after the small as well, and some of the small ARE them.

there was some very nasty stuff going on amongst a subset of the (very nasty) people (in some cases) covering pizzagate, when at a certain point they turned on one person.

also, you had this (very obvious) disinfo 'ex' cia guy reaching out and volunteering to go on these little channels and be interviewed. either they (the little channel owners) were hopelessly naive, or they were in on it from the beginning.

at least one of them lost their channel during the recent yt purge, but unfortunately not all. and if you come across one of those channels - for example, in a search on some topic - they're still busy slagging off other people (not even limited to alt media figures, but to do with similar or the same topics).

when you see that level of shamelessness about lying and hypocrisy, you are dealing with narcissists & psychopaths - and govt agents fit that bill to a tee. so, they were corrupt from the start.

i just wonder about them putting out a mix of (possible, probable) info - along with disinfo.... what's the point or main angle to the psyop? (though very often there is no understandable point to evil, except to cause pain, negativity, and chaos.) is it to present some truth from such vile sources that it is dismissed, and then when it is inevitably confirmed, years later, they boost the tired line of 'tell us something we don't know, everyone's known this for years'? almost a usurpation of people's right to be outraged.

maybe one piece is to measure how much outrage there will be initially.

Many alternative speakers will have started off as honest agents for truth then as time move forward they realized they have been trapped and simply carry on as they are because they think they have so much to loose by telling the truth.
The problem comes when they have a cult following, it then becomes difficult to tell the truth and the longer they refuse to face their weaknesses the bigger the fall is going to be.
I suspect that over 65 percent of the truth movement has at least one such hidden moment lurking in the background, this is why its best to stick to the things you know best, that way you are less likely to be fooled by the rude amongst society, who's hands ceased working for them but their mind is working against the very cause they could be working towards.
One guy who I think fits this bill is (Ken O Keef), he has done some work in exposing the situation in Gaza but is now making a come back from his funds debackle, for this reason I'm out with this guy, he is now working his way towards another situation.

So true. If you remember when Alex Jones first started Infowars he was exposing some excellent cover ups etc. He had good investigators working for him and he was not on anyone's side. He started going a certain way when he started to "hero worship" Ron Paul and then went firmly into the "Trump is God" camp.
Although he is a bit of a loudmouth for my liking, he was good in the early days of exposing Bilderburg and Bohemian Grove and because of his huge following, got the message out to many people. He was obviously infiltrated at some point but I cannot make my mind  if he is a total fraud, or as you mentioned, that he made some bad mistakes and his ego won't allow him to admit it. And lets be honest, he does have a very big ego

I have followed most of the guru's from day one, Jones is one I saw out as early as his first raid by the authorities where his offices were raided and his computers taken away, this was very early days well before Ron Paul, here is where I think he was assimilated and maybe before, he simply cannot be trusted and I will stand by what I have seen.

When RDH brought in the statement analyst for the Megan case is where I saw off Rich Planet also, he never needed to do this to suspect any wrong doing in that case.

I thinkMr Icke is genuine enough even though I don't believe much of what is offered, and will hold some back in reserve for the future, I just wish many of the alternatives would back a self regeneration program which would at least empower dozens if not hundreds even thousands of people looking for real life alternatives to ensure the vital savings, many waste their followers resorces, which could have been used to fuel a myriad of hands on making programs, sort of like the Ubuntu movement, but using skilled and willing craftsmen and women to bolster their own well being.

[awakened53]

Most definitely the case I think.
The way that the CIA has infiltrated the MSM, I think it is certain that they will have  most certainly infiltrated the Alternative Media, both to gather information and also to plant disinformation and then discredit it. I think that the big payers in the alternative media and popular websites would be the main targets for them. This war on information and perception is like a spy movie.

i think they go after the small as well, and some of the small ARE them.

there was some very nasty stuff going on amongst a subset of the (very nasty) people (in some cases) covering pizzagate, when at a certain point they turned on one person.

also, you had this (very obvious) disinfo 'ex' cia guy reaching out and volunteering to go on these little channels and be interviewed. either they (the little channel owners) were hopelessly naive, or they were in on it from the beginning.

at least one of them lost their channel during the recent yt purge, but unfortunately not all. and if you come across one of those channels - for example, in a search on some topic - they're still busy slagging off other people (not even limited to alt media figures, but to do with similar or the same topics).

when you see that level of shamelessness about lying and hypocrisy, you are dealing with narcissists & psychopaths - and govt agents fit that bill to a tee. so, they were corrupt from the start.

i just wonder about them putting out a mix of (possible, probable) info - along with disinfo.... what's the point or main angle to the psyop? (though very often there is no understandable point to evil, except to cause pain, negativity, and chaos.) is it to present some truth from such vile sources that it is dismissed, and then when it is inevitably confirmed, years later, they boost the tired line of 'tell us something we don't know, everyone's known this for years'? almost a usurpation of people's right to be outraged.

maybe one piece is to measure how much outrage there will be initially.

Many alternative speakers will have started off as honest agents for truth then as time move forward they realized they have been trapped and simply carry on as they are because they think they have so much to loose by telling the truth.
The problem comes when they have a cult following, it then becomes difficult to tell the truth and the longer they refuse to face their weaknesses the bigger the fall is going to be.
I suspect that over 65 percent of the truth movement has at least one such hidden moment lurking in the background, this is why its best to stick to the things you know best, that way you are less likely to be fooled by the rude amongst society, who's hands ceased working for them but their mind is working against the very cause they could be working towards.
One guy who I think fits this bill is (Ken O Keef), he has done some work in exposing the situation in Gaza but is now making a come back from his funds debackle, for this reason I'm out with this guy, he is now working his way towards another situation.

So true. If you remember when Alex Jones first started Infowars he was exposing some excellent cover ups etc. He had good investigators working for him and he was not on anyone's side. He started going a certain way when he started to "hero worship" Ron Paul and then went firmly into the "Trump is God" camp.
Although he is a bit of a loudmouth for my liking, he was good in the early days of exposing Bilderburg and Bohemian Grove and because of his huge following, got the message out to many people. He was obviously infiltrated at some point but I cannot make my mind  if he is a total fraud, or as you mentioned, that he made some bad mistakes and his ego won't allow him to admit it. And lets be honest, he does have a very big ego

I have followed most of the guru's from day one, Jones is one I saw out as early as his first raid by the authorities where his offices were raided and his computers taken away, this was very early days well before Ron Paul, here is where I think he was assimilated and maybe before, he simply cannot be trusted and I will stand by what I have seen.

When RDH brought in the statement analyst for the Megan case is where I saw off Rich Planet also, he never needed to do this to suspect any wrong doing in that case.

I thinkMr Icke is genuine enough even though I don't believe much of what is offered, and will hold some back in reserve for the future, I just wish many of the alternatives would back a self regeneration program which would at least empower dozens if not hundreds even thousands of people looking for real life alternatives to ensure the vital savings, many waste their followers resorces, which could have been used to fuel a myriad of hands on making programs, sort of like the Ubuntu movement, but using skilled and willing craftsmen and women to bolster their own well being.

I didn't really see that from the statement analysis that RDH did on Madeleine. I get what you are saying that maybe it was unnecessary but I think that he had been introduced to Peter Hyatt and thought that it was just extra evidence for his research.
I guess we all see things differently

[Ruudboy]

I have been listening to Richie since day one too. His show is a media watch exercise. Why shouldn't he take on the alternative media? Its obvious to me that he takes his truther industrial complex theory very seriously. Are you denying Richie right of free speech? He's explained his distrust of celebrity activist journalists. I think he explained it well regardless of wether he is right or wrong. He has the right to critque whatever and whoever he wants. He doesn't owe anyone anything. As for the idea that there should be cooperation among truthers that is ridiculous. That's how I see it.