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#11
I am a lecturer at University in the UK. I have also taught in Further education. I have children of my own who are going through the system, and who have just exited it. I do my best to sway my children and students out of the realm of indoctrination, but it is not easy, especially after the years of programming they have received.
In my experience, the education or more realistically ‘indoctrination’ system is designed to beat out any semblance of free thought, creativity and to discourage any actual ‘education’ from students from the moment they enter pre-school, right up to Doctoral level.

The largest percentage of educators I have worked with (thankfully some are aware and do what they can to fight the system) are wholly oblivious to this indoctrination, and are simply working their hardest to prove themselves as ‘good teachers’. They attempt to prove themselves by ensuring they hit all of the unrealistic and often un - achievable benchmarks laid out by the system. Teachers are kept in a perpetual void of stress and blind panic, to ensure they are hitting these benchmarks to ‘prove’ themselves to a rigged system, whilst in reality having absolutely zero time to prepare lessons, converse with students and improve their own subject knowledge. Teachers are not to blame here, they are also victims of the rigged ‘by design’ system.

The way in which education programmes or ‘syllabus’ are devised (By large private corporations, Pearson Edexcel, City and Guilds et al) and managed, the vast amount of the time by none educators (CEO’s are often prior Hoteliers, Accountants, Managers) ensures that teachers have to indoctrinate students to enable them to hit the pass criteria of the curriculum in which they teach. Even within creative subjects free thought is discouraged throughout, as is creativity. Whatever the level of education, the repeating and acceptance of ‘proven’ known facts is expected. The passing on of ‘known’ facts is what masquerades as research and real discovery and success.

The pressure on teachers to keep the indoctrination bus wheels turning is massive.

Bums on seats. Education is a business, it is there to make money. The pressure to recruit students on to Further and Higher Education courses is all powerful. That pressure is placed by managers directly at the feet of teachers. Teachers exist with the constant fear that if you do not recruit well, you will lose your job. This responsibility is not given to the CEO, or Managers, it is laid solely at the feet of teachers. If the course on which you work does not recruit enough bodies, the CEO will most likely cancel the course, and therefore the teacher’s job.

So in reality courses are being populated by any student with a pulse. Students who traditionally would not be accepted on to any course (those who are only doing it because they have to etc) The academic entry level requirements for university are at an all-time low, as is the requirement for you being a decent and able human being. In the UK, you can scrape through your A levels or a level 3 diploma with a minimal pass and a charge sheet as long as a Tony Blair lie and walk right on to a degree. Students who in reality should not be anywhere near mainstream education, because of mental, social and or other issues are accepted on to courses by teachers, under pressure from management to make sure the numbers look good, it has nothing to do with equality and diversity.
What happens in reality is that teacher’s workloads become larger, to the point where the social work aspect of the role has overtaken teaching as the main function of the teacher. Along with this social working role (Which is written in to job descriptions and contracts) teachers are now also expected to parent the student, in areas which traditional the parent or guardian would, and should be responsible. There is so much pressure on teachers to be anything other than teachers, that even if they are aware of the indoctrination, they have no time, energy or good will to change it, and therefore the system carries on churning out indoctrinated robots. Yes teachers have a duty of care to students, but to the point where they literally have to take an adult to the toilet?
Having said all of this, if we look at the whole system for what it is designed (indoctrination) then what appears to be good and excellent teaching (indoctrination) and the success of students is apparent. The indoctrination of students, enabling them to hit the pass criteria (some more thoroughly than others, hence high grades) can be measured as being successful. The system works for what it was designed.

However, when you investigate the actual abilities of the majority of students we as a nation are currently producing, then education is the last thing that is actually happening. Just look at the soulless and apathetic robots around you (Yes there will always be exceptions)

Of course I can only speak from my own experience, and from speaking with colleagues, but when we have masses of graduating students, students with a Degree, an MA, A PhD who cannot tell you simple, common sense facts such as they what area of a country they reside in, how long they have lived in the country, how to get from north to south, which way is east or west, what the capital of the country is, who do not know how to read a bus timetable, go for a job interview without a parent or friend, students who are incapable of a genuine intellectual argument, who do not question facts which they have been told, yet the same students can blindly recite facts from the indoctrinated syllabus which they have been brainwashed with for 16 or so years, you must realise that very little education is actually occurring and exceptional amounts of indoctrination are.

Things will get worse, indoctrination is here to stay. Distance learning is now being promoted heavily. Teachers are told it is ‘policy’ that 10 percent of learning must now be delivered online… In universities and colleges timetables have space for classes which are delivered ‘online’ so no students are physically present, which means no interaction with teachers. In the USA, trials are being carried out where students enter a room and the whole lesson is delivered by a suite of software, no teacher is present, just a security guard ensuring students engage and behave. There are companies offering full syllabus online, under the guise of helping students who have social problems.

Brainwashing at its finest eh. It is easy.

People (including teachers) have forgotten what education should in fact be. In my humble experienced opinion, education should be simple, and I use the following analogy:

Listen to the experience of others, converse with others, investigate all of the information put to you, discover and create your own experiences and draw your own conclusions through much honest and critical reflection and evaluation.

Only then can you come to a conclusion which is not simply stamped on you by others.

In my pinion, anything other is indoctrination, and that is exactly what the ‘education’ system is design to be, and this is not going to change anytime soon.
All we can do as people, as teachers, is attempt to make students aware of this, and to divert them to their own discoveries and self-expression.
Good luck all!
I am aware, therefore I am.
#12
(08-15-2018, 10:01 AM)timetraveler Wrote: I am a lecturer at University in the UK. I have also taught in Further education. I have children of my own who are going through the system, and who have just exited it.  I do my best to sway my children and students out of the realm of indoctrination, but it is not easy, especially after the years of programming they have received.
In my experience, the education or more realistically ‘indoctrination’ system is designed to beat out any semblance of free thought, creativity and to discourage any actual ‘education’ from students from the moment they enter pre-school, right up to Doctoral level.

The largest percentage of educators I have worked with (thankfully some are aware and do what they can to fight the system) are wholly oblivious to this indoctrination, and are simply working their hardest to prove themselves as ‘good teachers’. They attempt to prove themselves by ensuring they hit all of the unrealistic and often un - achievable benchmarks laid out by the system. Teachers are kept in a perpetual void of stress and blind panic, to ensure they are hitting these benchmarks to ‘prove’ themselves to a rigged system, whilst in reality having absolutely zero time to prepare lessons, converse with students and improve their own subject knowledge. Teachers are not to blame here, they are also victims of the rigged ‘by design’ system.

The way in which education programmes or ‘syllabus’ are devised (By large private corporations, Pearson Edexcel, City and Guilds et al) and managed, the vast amount of the time by none educators (CEO’s are often prior Hoteliers, Accountants, Managers) ensures that teachers have to indoctrinate students to enable them to hit the pass criteria of the curriculum in which they teach. Even within creative subjects free thought is discouraged throughout, as is creativity. Whatever the level of education, the repeating and acceptance of ‘proven’ known facts is expected. The passing on of ‘known’ facts is what masquerades as research and real discovery and success.

The pressure on teachers to keep the indoctrination bus wheels turning is massive.

Bums on seats. Education is a business, it is there to make money. The pressure to recruit students on to Further and Higher Education courses is all powerful. That pressure is placed by managers directly at the feet of teachers. Teachers exist with the constant fear that if you do not recruit well, you will lose your job.  This responsibility is not given to the CEO, or Managers, it is laid solely at the feet of teachers. If the course on which you work does not recruit enough bodies, the CEO will most likely cancel the course, and therefore the teacher’s job.

So in reality courses are being populated by any student with a pulse. Students who traditionally would not be accepted on to any course (those who are only doing it because they have to etc) The academic entry level requirements for university are at an all-time low, as is the requirement for you being a decent and able human being.  In the UK, you can scrape through your A levels or a level 3 diploma with a minimal pass and a charge sheet as long as a Tony Blair lie and walk right on to a degree. Students who in reality should not be anywhere near mainstream education, because of mental, social and or other issues are accepted on to courses by teachers, under pressure from management to make sure the numbers look good, it has nothing to do with equality and diversity.
What happens in reality is that teacher’s workloads become larger, to the point where the social work aspect of the role has overtaken teaching as the main function of the teacher. Along with this social working role (Which is written in to job descriptions and contracts) teachers are now also expected to parent the student, in areas which traditional the parent or guardian would, and should be responsible. There is so much pressure on teachers to be anything other than teachers, that even if they are aware of the indoctrination, they have no time, energy or good will to change it, and therefore the system carries on churning out indoctrinated robots. Yes teachers have a duty of care to students, but to the point where they literally have to take an adult to the toilet?
Having said all of this, if we look at the whole system for what it is designed (indoctrination) then what appears to be good and excellent teaching (indoctrination) and the success of students is apparent. The indoctrination of students, enabling them to hit the pass criteria (some more thoroughly than others, hence high grades) can be measured as being successful. The system works for what it was designed.

However, when you investigate the actual abilities of the majority of students we as a nation are currently producing, then education is the last thing that is actually happening.  Just look at the soulless and apathetic robots around you (Yes there will always be exceptions)

Of course I can only speak from my own experience, and from speaking with colleagues, but when we have masses of graduating students, students with a Degree, an MA, A PhD who cannot tell you simple, common sense facts such as they what area of a country they reside in, how long they have lived in the country, how to get from north to south, which way is east or west, what the capital of the country is, who do not know how to read a bus timetable, go for a job interview without a parent or friend, students who are incapable of a genuine intellectual argument, who do not question facts which they have been told, yet the same students can blindly recite facts from the indoctrinated syllabus which they have been brainwashed with for 16 or so years,  you must realise that very little education is actually occurring and exceptional amounts of indoctrination are.

Things will get worse, indoctrination is here to stay. Distance learning is now being promoted heavily. Teachers are told it is ‘policy’ that 10 percent of learning must now be delivered online…  In universities and colleges timetables have space for classes which are delivered ‘online’ so no students are physically present, which means no interaction with teachers. In the USA, trials are being carried out where students enter a room and the whole lesson is delivered by a suite of software, no teacher is present, just a security guard ensuring students engage and behave. There are companies offering full syllabus online, under the guise of helping students who have social problems.

Brainwashing at its finest eh. It is easy.

People (including teachers) have forgotten what education should in fact be.  In my humble experienced opinion, education should be simple, and I use the following analogy:

Listen to the experience of others, converse with others, investigate all of the information put to you, discover and create your own experiences and draw your own conclusions through much honest and critical reflection and evaluation.

Only then can you come to a conclusion which is not simply stamped on you by others.

In my pinion, anything other is indoctrination, and that is exactly what the ‘education’ system is design to be, and this is not going to change anytime soon.
All we can do as people, as teachers, is attempt to make students aware of this, and to divert them to their own discoveries and self-expression.
Good luck all!

Totally agree... The system is rigged from the moment the kids enter pre school so the kids don't have a chance really. My eldest daughters experience in her last couple of years in school and also in college were mixed in the fact that a few of her teachers did encourage them to research alternative views to make up their own minds and most surprising to me was that her friends in college seemed very aware of some of the corruption within the system. Unfortunately they are the minority, but it does give me hope that the total indoctrination is not working on everyone.
It is refreshing to hear someone from your profession speak so open and honest about your views.
All hope is not lost.. yet
#13
2 days ago young adults in the UK received their latest programming results (A levels) imagine the stress levels. Kids are so shit scared of proving themselves to their parents, teacher, peers and the system, that if you could measure stress on these results days it would go off the scale, it is palpable.

Humans are pre-conditioned to conform, and the education system is a massive proponent in that. Do well or fail, and you can't be part of our system if you fail

It is so easy for the system, let us keep trying to break the cycle.
I am aware, therefore I am.
#14
(08-18-2018, 08:23 AM)timetraveler Wrote: 2 days ago young adults in the UK received their latest programming results (A levels) imagine the stress levels. Kids are so shit scared of proving themselves to their parents, teacher, peers and the system, that if you could measure stress on these results days it would go off the scale, it is palpable.

Humans are pre-conditioned to conform, and the education system is a massive proponent in that. Do well or fail, and you can't be part of our system if you fail

It is so easy for the system, let us keep trying to break the cycle.

With one daughter already through it and another going through it next year, I have seen it first hand. I have always despised the education system in it's current guise and agree with what you say about stress levels, it is so wrong on so many levels.
The current system just prepares the young to accept and believe everything they are told by Authorities without questioning or criticism. Be a good little student and you sill fit in nicely to be a slave to the system and be so much in debt by the time your education has finished, that you need to work your nuts off for the next xxx amount of years to try and pay it off..
A crazy system in a crazy world....
#15
The Education System

Children and young people the world over are being prepared to be nothing more than a cog in a centrally orchestrated machine and we are seeing more and more group-based ‘education’ to teach children to concede individuality to groupthink and to put even more pressure on those in the classroom that have no wish to conform. This is presented as their lack of conformity (‘ supporting the consensus’) holding back the group. The emphasis is upon ‘group learning strategies’ and all children in a group must achieve the goals before the group may move on. One term for all of this is Outcome Based Education which means ensuring a single outcome for all –a programmed mind.

This group orientation makes Outcome Based Education a system for behaviour modification of the group, not education for the individual. It is a collective modification in which competition is discouraged and the individual learns that the group is more important than them. Bertrand Russell (1872-1970) was a British writer, social critic and aristocrat from the Archontic Russell bloodline. His grandfather was Prime Minister John Russell and his official parents were Viscount and Viscountess Amberley, although you never know with royalty and aristocracy. Bertrand Russell wrote in his 1951 book, The Impact of Science on Society:

Education should aim at destroying free will so that pupils thus schooled, will be incapable throughout the rest of their lives of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished ... Influences of the home are obstructive; and in order to condition students, verses set to music and repeatedly intoned are very effective ... ... It is for a future scientist to make these maxims precise and to discover exactly how much it costs per head to make children believe that snow is black. When the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in charge of education for more than one generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen. 

You cannot divide the dumbed-down education system from food additives, fluoride in drinking water, vaccines, pharmaceutical drugs, electromagnetic influences and the brain-dead media because they all come together in the war on human perception and cognition and the mutation of the human vehicle.

Michael Gove, the dreadful former Secretary in the Cameron Conservative (Tory) Government in Britain, wanted to allow corporations to establish ‘for profit’ schools independent of elected accountability. This was promoted by a pressure group called ‘Bright Blue’ under the Orwellian name of ‘free’ schools to invert what was really being suggested. A book in support of the policy says: It will be important, of course, to convince the public that this does not stem from an ideological position: that somehow private is better than public and Tories are pursuing privatisation in awe of money-making. This is not true. This is a sensible, hard-headed policy which provides alternative funding sources to boost diversity and ultimately quality of education in this country, while –and this should be said time and time again –ensuring state education remains free at the point of use.
#16
Jordan Peterson discusses Indoctrination by Universities and truths and values

https://youtu.be/5pyzF1rxWP8
#17
to the thoughts about education cost, debts and etc
it all worth it, if you are ready to study all the time, understand the goal of it
It was hard for me to study at the university, as I had to work and there was a lot of needings for me, so I get used to taking credits.
then, I understood that I am a slave, and decided to end it.
I preferred to take less money from online services like webmoneyloans but not to take any big sums.
that kind of services are good because they give money fast, without any strange questions and have good terms
BUT
I warn you to take care of your finances and make sure that you really can afford it, or have a great power and motivation
by the words, high education is really good for you
#18
I agree that schoolchildren are very difficult now. Many responsibilities and disciplines really overwhelm them. But you can find several ways to facilitate learning. For example, it is very difficult to prepare for many exams. I often just ordered an essay on the site https://uk.customwritings.com/ . And it helped me gain time to prepare for other types of exams. So you can find a way out of any difficulties.
#19
timetraveler Wrote:Students who traditionally would not be accepted on to any course (those who are only doing it because they have to etc) The academic entry level requirements for university are at an all-time low, as is the requirement for you being a decent and able human being. In the UK, you can scrape through your A levels or a level 3 diploma with a minimal pass and a charge sheet as long as a Tony Blair lie and walk right on to a degree. Students who in reality should not be anywhere near mainstream education, because of mental, social and or other issues are accepted on to courses by teachers, under pressure from management to make sure the numbers look good, it has nothing to do with equality and diversity.
I´ve noticed that whether children reach a “higher” eduction level, is more determined by the wealth of their parents than by their intelligence!


In 1968, George Land researched the creativity of 1,600 children starting in age from three-to-five years. He re-tested the same children at 10 years and again at 15 years of age. The results were astounding.
Test results 5 year olds - 98%
Test results 10 year olds - 30%
Test results 15 year olds - 12%

The same test was given to 280,000 adults, who were only 2% “creative”.
A good explanation could be, that our educational system was designed to train us to be good workers that follow instructions: https://www.creativityatwork.com/2012/03...be-taught/
Donald Trump is very cozy with the Rothschild crime syndicate: http://www.lawfulpath.com/forum/viewtopi...t=40#p4587
  


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