[The Apprentice]

There is also the possibility of certain alternative outlets being double agents.

Most definitely the case I think.
The way that the CIA has infiltrated the MSM, I think it is certain that they will have  most certainly infiltrated the Alternative Media, both to gather information and also to plant disinformation and then discredit it. I think that the big payers in the alternative media and popular websites would be the main targets for them. This war on information and perception is like a spy movie.

This has happened many times throughout history like the Templar, who would If Need Be, sacrifice themselves for the cause, there have been many an emasculated warrior walking into battle knowing they would not return.

So we now open up another huge can of worms, who are those that are doing the dark webs work, who are now being seen as victims when really they are like the crisis actor.

The idea is to get as many bad energy makers and shakers to get the real alternatives to take on certain so called irrefutable ideas, and in doing so be tarred with their false brush, One comes to mind and that is R D Hall and his backing of Judy Woods, he also has ideas about Icke and the Credo Mutwah model who Hall says could be a possible CIA stooge.

The plot thickens as it is supposed to.

And if I was asked I would say the missing Pentagon Billions are now making their way into every dissinformation agents pocket and proxy army to bring the New Order into full sight.
Its a bit like handing money over to the man on the treet knowing he has a drug or drinking problem and knowing that, that money may most likely end up back in the hands of those dealers and pushers who are creating and abetting their misery.

[awakened53]

There is also the possibility of certain alternative outlets being double agents.

Most definitely the case I think.
The way that the CIA has infiltrated the MSM, I think it is certain that they will have  most certainly infiltrated the Alternative Media, both to gather information and also to plant disinformation and then discredit it. I think that the big payers in the alternative media and popular websites would be the main targets for them. This war on information and perception is like a spy movie.

This has happened many times throughout history like the Templar, who would If Need Be, sacrifice themselves for the cause, there have been many an emasculated warrior walking into battle knowing they would not return.

So we now open up another huge can of worms, who are those that are doing the dark webs work, who are now being seen as victims when really they are like the crisis actor.

The idea is to get as many bad energy makers and shakers to get the real alternatives to take on certain so called irrefutable ideas, and in doing so be tarred with their false brush, One comes to mind and that is R D Hall and his backing of Judy Woods, he also has ideas about Icke and the Credo Mutwah model who Hall says is a possible CIA stooge.

The plot thickens as it is supposed to.

I think the CIA would have definitely been looking at ways to get at David.
The early ridicule of him in the early nineties was enough to keep him from being listened to but once he rode through all of that and then people were listening to him in great numbers, he would definitely have become a target for the CIA, as would Judy Wood, just because of the subject matter.
The 9-11 truth movement was definitely infiltrated and I think that is evident now, as nearly seventeen years after the event, there is still so much in house fighting going on within it, despite the fact that the number of people who believe it was a false flag have increased dramatically. But what better way is there of suppressing the truth, than have all of the people fighting for the truth, fighting among themselves.
You have to make your mind up about each individual alternative researcher yourself I think.
I like RD Hall, but I don't believe in everything he says as after all, it is only his opinion.
Sometimes I think they would be better off keeping their opinions about other alternative media journalists to themselves as it does tend to divide us.
I think we all have our own "trusted" people so to speak and I for one, don't like hearing other alternative media people slagging each other off, as to me it doesn't make them any better than the MSM.
As i mentioned earlier it is getting harder to cut through the disinfo and this is more by design
than coincidence

[Leda]

Thanks Richie, I think you bring up a good point about journalists embedding themselves. That they give up objectivity; I don’t trust both groups anymore, I have watched them closely; both Sibel’s and Bartlet responses on Twitter were high schoolish; manufactured; reminded me of Jason Goodman and George Webb, having a hissy fit at one another a while ago. I believe ALL these people, Goodman, Webb, Edmonds, and Bartlet, are well-funded and Deep State operatives.  I didn’t like the film; but I considered their evidence of Bartlet; the hysterical reactions are telling and show immaturity.

[ContemplationInTranquility]

The Guardian has previously done a hatchet job on these two journalists and I don't blame them for their reaction. I took the Guardian for some years and used to have respect for it but certainly not any more as regards to their political reporting. Most of their funding comes from HSBC which should tell you all you need to know. They are losing money hand over fist but they continue to be supported as a propaganda machine. The public is being played concerning Syria just as I believe they are being played about the Salisbury poisoning. Look at the agenda, look at who benefits.

[The Apprentice]

The Guardian has previously done a hatchet job on these two journalists and I don't blame them for their reaction. I took the Guardian for some years and used to have respect for it but certainly not any more as regards to their political reporting. Most of their funding comes from HSBC which should tell you all you need to know. They are losing money hand over fist but they continue to be supported as a propaganda machine. The public is being played concerning Syria just as I believe they are being played about the Salisbury poisoning. Look at the agenda, look at who benefits.

The HSBC has made billions from drug money laundering and the fine they recieved is a drop in the ocean, they only managed to survive the 2008 crash due to this grey money, the amount give by the government was a tip basically, a tip compared to the truth profit they made from enabling others to sell drugs to everyone.

If we are not careful the truth movement will be tatted by the same opiates that are ripping the paradigm apart, we must not hand our money over to anyone who has a drug problem either, knowingly or not as this will come back to haunt those that do.

This is why I set up my own sites and placed there the things that might enlighten those now looking in through the many new windows their curtains already drawn for the populous to peer into.

I would also lovee to see the truth being shared freely instead of having to make money from it, by now people know who I am and what I have been sharing, and hope the interest draws in the right kind of people, I will continue to involve and add my input to where I think it will do the most good.

I used to frequent other sites with my wares and skills message, but will remain here for as long as I am allowed and it is definately drawing in the eyes, which is good for Richie in its own way, pro bono Richie, keep up the good work.

[Scaramanga]

In my opinion, both journalists ought to have been given the opportunity to defend themselves against all of the accusations made against them. That clearly didn’t happen in the film as the decision to not to even try to talk to them was made at the beginning.

Therefore, in my opinion, all the subsequent information provided needs to be seen in that light, much of which was not strong enough to reach any conclusions.

In the interests of balance, it would be good to see whether someone will actually give them an opportunity to defend themselves.

Weren't they offered a chance to have their say in the film but declined?

[The Apprentice]

In my opinion, both journalists ought to have been given the opportunity to defend themselves against all of the accusations made against them. That clearly didn’t happen in the film as the decision to not to even try to talk to them was made at the beginning.

Therefore, in my opinion, all the subsequent information provided needs to be seen in that light, much of which was not strong enough to reach any conclusions.

In the interests of balance, it would be good to see whether someone will actually give them an opportunity to defend themselves.

Weren't they offered a chance to have their say in the film but declined?

Are we even sure they were sent this message and if they were why have they decided not to respond, I put the video on UK Column who have them on regularly but nothing there either, so we will have to wait and see until Monday when Brian comes back on.

Althouh one thing does not sit right and that was the Syrian born guy who went to school in the US, the one who showed us his dual passports, now he is definately hiding something and never looks at the camera during his report, its all in the eyes.

[jeff55]

It's sad to see that Richie feels the need to highlight this nonsense, Beeley and Bartlett are doing great work.  Richie has hinted before that he does not like UK Column or 21st Century Wire, he also rubbished Richard D hall, I don't know why, but one thing is for sure, 'the powers that be' want independent media/journalists to fight among themselves and it appears that they are winning. I have listened to Richie since the first show but recently I have noticed him spending far to much time slagging off other independent media and it is not helping the situation. I might be wrong but I don't think I have ever heard David Icke slagging off specific independent journalists and that is very wise. We all have to decide for ourselves wither we trust what is being said by whoever.

[The Apprentice]

What we might see is the main players getting together to try and smooth out this issue of so called back biting and or opinions of who is or maybe has been got at by inner agents within each camp.

What I would like to see is a union of the best advocates coming together for a common cause, because remaining too independant creates a stagnation/stigma where the alternative media becomes just like the ones they are trying to expose, this is how they become like a stuck record all reporting the same thing without any uniqueness and any new ideas are then pushed back.

The same attributes were seen in Plato's time as well, its all been done before, there ain't nothing new under the same sun as yesteryear.

The are some good writers and researchers who are bringing new conjecture to the front line who are part of their own forums but they never get a look in, this is very wasteful in my eyes, but things might have to change to make the alternative news worth watching and listening to, no single alternative has it all.

[awakened53]

What we might see is the main players getting together to try and smooth out this issue of so called back biting and or opinions of who is or maybe has been got at by inner agents within each camp.

What I would like to see is a union of the best advocates coming together for a common cause, because remaining too independant creates a stagnation/stigma where the alternative media becomes just like the ones they are trying to expose, this is how they become like a stuck record all reporting the same thing without any uniqueness and any new ideas are then pushed back.

The same attributes were seen in Plato's time as well, its all been done before, there ain't nothing new under the same sun as yesteryear.

The are some good writers and researchers who are bringing new conjecture to the front line who are part of their own forums but they never get a look in, this is very wasteful in my eyes, but things might have to change to make the alternative news worth watching and listening to, no single alternative has it all.

Great points from both Jeff and The Apprentice.
I mentioned in a previous post about the real alternative media sticking together for the greater cause, rather than fragmenting it into lots of small groups which ultimately has less impact. To slag off other  alternative journalists who may have put in endless hours of research, just because they don't agree with them is a little bit hypocritical when they keep harping on about free speech. Sometimes I think it is a bit of an ego thing.
You are correct when you say that David doesn't resort to that and I think that he understands the need for the alternative media to be united if we are to win this perception battle